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BMW 3 Series, Audi A4, Volvo S60 R, Subaru Legacy, Audi S4, Mazda MAZDASPEED MAZDA6, Sedan
#820 of 855 Re: 2004 Audi A4 vs. the other AWD's ..... [penguinhead]
Jun 02, 2009 (7:45 pm)
We recently went looking to replace our 03 A4 1.8T quattro. All the cars we looked at would be good choices, depending on your priorities. MB C300 4matic- really liked the looks, smallish trunk, definitely a contender. BMW 328xi- excellent handling, not sure we like the runflat tires, small trunk. G35x- handles like a big car, big HP means less mpg, many nice features. Audi A4: we loved our 03 but decided to get a new one at 74,000 miles. Now we have an 09 A4 which is the same model, same interior color, same exterior color, similar turbo engine, but more spacious, more power (but same mpg), even better handling. My wife loves the Audi, as she did the 03, and they are great snow cars. I even put Blizzaks on it for her.
Sep 27, 2009 (12:48 pm)
I am looking at CR performance charts for the 112 sedans tested (this includes both RWD and AWD). To me the sportiest sedan would have best 0-60 acceleration, and best handling: Avoidance Maneuver Max Speed. These are top ten in both categories. Note that only two: G and Evo made both acceleration and handling top3/top10 lists:
Avoidance Maneuver Max Speed
#823 of 855 Re: 112 sedans [chelentano]
Sep 27, 2009 (12:54 pm)
Other interesting points.
* The Infiniti G is highest performer overall - arguably Ultimate AWD Sports Sedan, based on CR testing anyway.
* Infiniti G is RWD, but AWD version was not tested and I assume it would have similar performance.
* EVO with its tiny 2L engine is behind of 8L Pontiac just a fraction of second.
* EVO MR with Twin Clutch transmission was not tested.
* Audi and BMW 3xx did not make both lists.
* Lexus IS, Elantra and Rio handle surprisingly well, better then BMW.
#824 of 855 Re: 112 sedans [chelentano]
Sep 29, 2009 (11:10 am)
I wonder why it's not recommended?
What really stands out, to me, is that the Kia Rio sedan managed to make that list. It's probably the cheapest sedan in the world!
#825 of 855 Re: 112 sedans [ateixeira]
Sep 29, 2009 (8:40 pm)
>> I wonder why it's not recommended?
This numbers are just about driving fun and driving performance. Not recommended cars here either have reliability below average (audi, dodge, pontiac) or did not take (or did not pass) crash test (mitsubishi):
>> What really stands out, to me, is that the Kia Rio sedan managed to make that list. It's probably the cheapest sedan in the world!
It is in fact amazing that this ugly duck handles better then BMW, Mercedes C-class Sport and 100 other sedans:
#827 of 855 Re: 112 sedans [chelentano]
Sep 30, 2009 (11:50 am)
I wouldn't conclude it "handles better", this is just one single test, and I'm sure a narrow, light car tends to have an advantage over a heavier, wider one.
This is also largely a test of how intrusive (safe?) a stability control system is, which slows yours exit speed.
Still, it would be fun to own one of those and challenge a Bimmer in a slalom.
#828 of 855 Re: 112 sedans [ateixeira]
Oct 03, 2009 (10:40 pm)
>>This is also largely a test of how intrusive (safe?) a stability control system is, which slows yours exit speed. Still, it would be fun to own one of those and challenge a Bimmer in a slalom.
It would be fun indeed. In this fun MT slalom test Lancer Evo 4-door sedan beats Corvette, Viper, Lamborghini, Ferrari and Benz: