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Zap-X by circlew
May 09, 2008 (3:17 am)
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It's on the way..I'll be all over this thing! Here are two articles.
 
ZAP-X is a Crossover Electric Vehicle designed by ZAP Motors and Lotus Engineering derived from the Lotus APX concept platform. The vehicle is estimated to be launched in 2010. The company claims that this car would be powered by a four in-wheel electric motors that generates 644 bhp (480 kW/653 PS) and reaches 350-mile or 560 km with a single charge. It also boasts a top speed of 155 mph or 249 km/h, acceleration of 0–60 mph in 4.8 s and a 10 min recharge time.
 
ZAP, in partnership with Lotus Engineering have designed a new EV that will result in one of the most advanced electric cars ever developed. The aptly-named ZAP-X Crossover does potentially offer a very real transition option from conventional combustion vehicles, as the short-falls of electric vehicles have been almost completely eradicated in this new design. The award-winning APX lightweight aluminium architecture allows for unparalleled performance and usability. The drive system comprises of innovative electric motors inside each of the wheels, which in partnership can deliver up to 644 horsepower, and speeds of 0-60mph in 4.8 seconds, up to a maximum speed of 155mph. The power system enables the vehicle to travel up to 350 miles before needing a charge, and the new rapid-charge technology allows for battery recharging in as little as 10 minutes. Seating allows for up to 7 passengers (not a type-o) and some very cool new gadgets included as standard too, such as touch-screen controls, Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, High-Res Video, Windows XP, iPod Ready, firewire, GPS, USB2 and more! Regenerative braking as standard, and energy collecting windows and windshields allow for some additional charging, too.
 
With everything you’d want out of a conventional sports car, it also has the versatility of being used as a family vehicle too!

Regards,
OW
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What else should we look at? by waygrabow
Aug 27, 2008 (7:46 pm)
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My wife and I plan to look at the 2009 Audi A4 quattro 2.0T. What other cars in the same class should we look at? We currently have a 2003 A4 quattro 1.8T which has been almost flawless. Our criteria include comfort for 4 occupants, responsive handling, reliability (perhaps a given these days), all weather capability, and fuel efficiency. Beyond a size adequate to provide comfort for four passengers, we favor smaller cars. Price is a consideration. We can afford what we want but are unwilling to pay just to have a certain brand cache.
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Re: What else should we look at? [waygrabow] by ateixeira
Aug 28, 2008 (6:00 am)
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Replying to: waygrabow (Aug 27, 2008 7:46 pm)

I drove a new 2009 V6 Quattro and really liked it. The new AWD system is actually rear-biased, and the car feels more balanced. The adjustable suspension (Comfort/Dynamic) make the vehicle a bit of a chameleon, too.
 
Having said that, the model I drove had an estimated price of about $48k, and IMHO that's crazy. The 2.0T model will surely be a lot more affordable, and that engine actually makes more torque than the V6 does. I didn't get to drive one, but I'd lean towards that engine.
 
At the same event we got to sample a Lexus IS230 AWD (comfy, but very soft), a Benz E300 4Matic (solid brakes, but disappointing handling), the A4, and a BMW 328xi. The Bimmer had the best handling, but it's close in price to the Audi, and that's with the base engine, so it won't get much cheaper.
 
I think the strong euro/weak dollar may leave you with a bit of sticker shock when you go shopping for the 2009s.
 
I'd add a few others to your list - the 2009 TL-S will have SH-AWD. Also, the G35x from Infiniti. Finally, for a budget buy, check out a Subaru Legacy GT Limited, or even a spec.B model.
 
That kind of money lets you buy a lot of very nice cars. Good luck shopping.
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Re: What else should we look at? [ateixeira] by roadburner
Aug 28, 2008 (11:59 am)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Aug 28, 2008 6:00 am)

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Re: What else should we look at? [ateixeira] by roadburner
Aug 28, 2008 (12:06 pm)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Aug 28, 2008 6:00 am)

I'd add a few others to your list - the 2009 TL-S will have SH-AWD. Also, the G35x from Infiniti. Finally, for a budget buy, check out a Subaru Legacy GT Limited, or even a spec.B model.
 
If my choices were limited to AWD cars I would also look at the Evo MR as well as the STi. The Spec B is another excellent pick. I found a very clean 2005 Audi CPO S4 for just $31900, but unfortunately it was a slushbox...
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Re: What else should we look at? [roadburner] by ateixeira
Aug 28, 2008 (12:54 pm)
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Replying to: roadburner (Aug 28, 2008 12:06 pm)

EVO and STI may fall a bit short on comfort, which the OP specifically asked for.
 
Try them out, though. Can't hurt, plus it'll be fun.
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Re: What else should we look at? [ateixeira] by roadburner
Aug 28, 2008 (2:27 pm)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Aug 28, 2008 12:54 pm)

Try them out, though. Can't hurt, plus it'll be fun.
 
If they're TOO sporty, then he's TOO old.
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Re: What else should we look at? [roadburner] by waygrabow
Aug 28, 2008 (4:08 pm)
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Replying to: roadburner (Aug 28, 2008 2:27 pm)

Thanks for the laugh. Just got my first speeding ticket in my MazdaSpeed6; damn, there goes the insurance rates (again). I don't need the HP of an EVO or STi in order to go fast enough. When I mentioned handling, I meant cornering, braking, and steering on uneven/slippery road surfaces NOT brute acceleration. Colorado has a winter and snow storms and mountain roads to deal with Remember also that my wife will share this car. I figure that about 200 hp is enough; beyond that, I'd like to devote engine efficiency toward good gas mileage. Would anyone recommend a Volvo or Saab? I have no experience with either one, so I was wondering. I always like to shop a car in comparison to others to help determine its relative value.
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Re: What else should we look at? [waygrabow] by ateixeira
Aug 29, 2008 (7:55 am)
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Replying to: waygrabow (Aug 28, 2008 4:08 pm)

I would have recommended that as well if Mazda had not discontinued it.
 
The MazdaSpeed3 is very nice, but no AWD. IMHO that's too much power for the front wheels alone, so much that early models had engines shaking out of their cradles due to wheel hop on acceleration.
 
Doesn't Mazda even limit boost in 1st and 2nd gear?
 
Give it AWD, Mazda!

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