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Re: Crunched tire numbers... [bruceomega] by shipo
Mar 21, 2008 (4:49 pm)
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Replying to: bruceomega (Mar 21, 2008 11:48 am)

If I remember correctly, handling performance peaked with the 16" and 17" tire sizes and then slowly rolled off from there. Regarding adding the 18" optional tires on your car, I rather suspect that you'll probably not notice much of a difference either way, errr, unless you're going to be taking it to the track.
 
Best Regards,
Shipo
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Re: Crunched tire numbers... [bruceomega] by ateixeira
Mar 24, 2008 (8:20 am)
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Replying to: bruceomega (Mar 21, 2008 11:48 am)

It may sharpen the steering feel a bit, and have less sidewall deflection, but the ride will feel more harsh and you may have passed the point of diminishing returns by then.
 
A friend had a Z3 with big wheels and bent 3 rims. No kidding.
 
They're expensive to replace, and in some cases he even had to wait for a special order. Tires are also more expensive.
 
Finally, it adds to your unsprung weight, compared to a lighter 16" or 17" alloy of the same construction.
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Performance suspension for the 335Xi by bruceomega
Apr 15, 2008 (11:42 am)
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FWIW,
 
I just read where BMW is now offering an aftermarket performance suspension for the 335Xi:
http://accessories.bmwusa.com/ItemView.aspx?modelId=280&perf=true&categoryId=136- &productCategoryId=&menuId=0&subItemId=3
 
With a tighter, sportier feeling and lower suspension setting of 15mm in comparison with series-production vehicles, the inclusion of a BMW Performance control arm with stiffer bushings gives your 3 Series an almost instinctual feel for the road. With adjusted spring rates and bushings, roll is drastically reduced, creating cat-like quickness, increased responsiveness, and stunning agility. Flexing with the motion of your vehicle around even the tightest curves, a BMW Performance control arm means athletic handling, faster turn-ins, and a totally immediate and much more intense reaction to the tarmac. It delivers a perfect compromise between racing car performance and driving comfort.
 
$695.00
Each price is the suggested retail price and is subject to change. Price excludes installation and taxes

 
Bruce
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Re: Performance suspension for the 335Xi [bruceomega] by circlew
Apr 15, 2008 (12:11 pm)
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Replying to: bruceomega (Apr 15, 2008 11:42 am)

I still doubt it will be equal to suspension settings of 335i sport.
 
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OW
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Re: Performance suspension for the 335Xi [bruceomega] by lilengineerboy
Apr 15, 2008 (5:16 pm)
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Replying to: bruceomega (Apr 15, 2008 11:42 am)

$700 bones for 4 control arms isn't bad even if they were stock. I think thats about what they were on my '93 Accord. It says the bushings are stiffer and the ride height is lower, but it doesnt say anything about spring rate. Another positive thing is they might have lowered the car without giving up any suspension travel, which is a good thing.
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Re: Performance suspension for the 335Xi [lilengineerboy] by bruceomega
Apr 16, 2008 (10:46 am)
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Replying to: lilengineerboy (Apr 15, 2008 5:16 pm)

They do mention ..... With adjusted spring rates .....
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Zap-X by circlew
May 09, 2008 (3:17 am)
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It's on the way..I'll be all over this thing! Here are two articles.
 
ZAP-X is a Crossover Electric Vehicle designed by ZAP Motors and Lotus Engineering derived from the Lotus APX concept platform. The vehicle is estimated to be launched in 2010. The company claims that this car would be powered by a four in-wheel electric motors that generates 644 bhp (480 kW/653 PS) and reaches 350-mile or 560 km with a single charge. It also boasts a top speed of 155 mph or 249 km/h, acceleration of 0–60 mph in 4.8 s and a 10 min recharge time.
 
ZAP, in partnership with Lotus Engineering have designed a new EV that will result in one of the most advanced electric cars ever developed. The aptly-named ZAP-X Crossover does potentially offer a very real transition option from conventional combustion vehicles, as the short-falls of electric vehicles have been almost completely eradicated in this new design. The award-winning APX lightweight aluminium architecture allows for unparalleled performance and usability. The drive system comprises of innovative electric motors inside each of the wheels, which in partnership can deliver up to 644 horsepower, and speeds of 0-60mph in 4.8 seconds, up to a maximum speed of 155mph. The power system enables the vehicle to travel up to 350 miles before needing a charge, and the new rapid-charge technology allows for battery recharging in as little as 10 minutes. Seating allows for up to 7 passengers (not a type-o) and some very cool new gadgets included as standard too, such as touch-screen controls, Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, High-Res Video, Windows XP, iPod Ready, firewire, GPS, USB2 and more! Regenerative braking as standard, and energy collecting windows and windshields allow for some additional charging, too.
 
With everything you’d want out of a conventional sports car, it also has the versatility of being used as a family vehicle too!

Regards,
OW
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What else should we look at? by waygrabow
Aug 27, 2008 (7:46 pm)
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My wife and I plan to look at the 2009 Audi A4 quattro 2.0T. What other cars in the same class should we look at? We currently have a 2003 A4 quattro 1.8T which has been almost flawless. Our criteria include comfort for 4 occupants, responsive handling, reliability (perhaps a given these days), all weather capability, and fuel efficiency. Beyond a size adequate to provide comfort for four passengers, we favor smaller cars. Price is a consideration. We can afford what we want but are unwilling to pay just to have a certain brand cache.
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Re: What else should we look at? [waygrabow] by ateixeira
Aug 28, 2008 (6:00 am)
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Replying to: waygrabow (Aug 27, 2008 7:46 pm)

I drove a new 2009 V6 Quattro and really liked it. The new AWD system is actually rear-biased, and the car feels more balanced. The adjustable suspension (Comfort/Dynamic) make the vehicle a bit of a chameleon, too.
 
Having said that, the model I drove had an estimated price of about $48k, and IMHO that's crazy. The 2.0T model will surely be a lot more affordable, and that engine actually makes more torque than the V6 does. I didn't get to drive one, but I'd lean towards that engine.
 
At the same event we got to sample a Lexus IS230 AWD (comfy, but very soft), a Benz E300 4Matic (solid brakes, but disappointing handling), the A4, and a BMW 328xi. The Bimmer had the best handling, but it's close in price to the Audi, and that's with the base engine, so it won't get much cheaper.
 
I think the strong euro/weak dollar may leave you with a bit of sticker shock when you go shopping for the 2009s.
 
I'd add a few others to your list - the 2009 TL-S will have SH-AWD. Also, the G35x from Infiniti. Finally, for a budget buy, check out a Subaru Legacy GT Limited, or even a spec.B model.
 
That kind of money lets you buy a lot of very nice cars. Good luck shopping.

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