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Replying to: bigmclargehuge (Mar 07, 2008 6:07 am) This is a very good candidate that I will consider. The Evo is another but I do not want "wings" on my next car and I want the new DSG tranny which is only on the MR version with the Wing. Regards, OW |
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Replying to: bigmclargehuge (Mar 07, 2008 6:07 am) The STI has indeed matured, in fact too much for some folks. That's one of the criticisms of the new model, that it lacks the spunky character of the 2007 and prior model. |
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I guess to me I think Caliber SRT-4 or Cobalt SS. Something a "boy" could afford. The type of car you'd see in a high school parking lot. At $35 grand the STI is well beyond that. The 2007 and prior were so in your face that you could stretch and include those as well. The new one, not so much, IMHO.
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Replying to: ateixeira (Mar 07, 2008 9:12 am) At $35 grand the STI is well beyond that. The 2007 and prior were so in your face that you could stretch and include those as well. The new one, not so much, IMHO. True, the $35K range is a bit above Boy Racer price, but it still retains the image. So would you count the WRX as Boy Racer? That would be the initial entry into the AWD circuit wouldn't it? And it's not over-the-top expensive. Down in that range I'd go for the Legacy GT 5-speed. I think it is still more refined than the Impreza line. The Legacy Limited has soft plastic dash, really nice leather, etc. The Impreza has made up some ground, but I can't get around hard plastic dashes.
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In the past decade I've had a Volvos60T, 2 AudiA6 2.7T's. a BMW 330xi and now a Mazdaspeed6. All werre new models when purchased. I live in northern NJ and we have some nasty winters; some with barely any snow. For all of them I mpurchase a set of snow tires/wheels, and that is what makes the difference in snow driving. The AWD with Summer tires (usually higher end Dunlops) offers incredibly better handling, with its higher level of confidence. Of all the cars, I liked the size and overall feel of the Audi's, but after warranted, they became difficult to keep factory repaired, and I tend to sell at around 40K miles. The current Mazdaspeed6 offers a nice compromise in size (larger than the 3 series but plenty of room for 4 adults. It needed upgrades in sound and some improvements in breathing (added a CAT-back exhaust and forced air induction, along with several small factory adjustments to the clutch etc) and is a truly fast and satisfying ride. It does not have the panache of the others, but it gets the job done as well. All things considered, I'll likely keep this one longer than the others I've had,
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Replying to: zavfej (Mar 08, 2008 4:24 am)
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Replying to: bigmclargehuge (Mar 08, 2008 6:12 pm) I am bummed because I waited too long and missed the last '07 MS6 at the dealer here. Oh well, I probably would've been annoyed by the 93 octane requirement anyway. |
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Replying to: bigmclargehuge (Mar 07, 2008 9:47 am) I don't have demographic data but I'd be willing to bet that the STI owners is a lot more mature. Older, higher income, more well educated. It's for the adult hooligan, more so than the boy racer. If you are a 16 years boy racer and show up at a Subaru dealer and ask for an STI test drive, they will pretty much laugh in your face.
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Replying to: ateixeira (Mar 10, 2008 7:28 am) As well they should in my opinion. I think there should be a 100hp limit on anything sold to people under 18, and a 200hp limit for under 21. And this is not being hypocritical, because I drove like an  $$ when I was that age too. Its likely that we all did and we all lost at least 1 friend to testosterone-induced driving under age 25. I lost 3. Anyway, back on topic. The STI is good, don't get me wrong. I think most any Subaru is a good value. I'm just looking at criteria for the best all-round sedan. I would easily call the STI the best hatch. That's why my mind keeps turning back to the Legacy GT/Spec-B. They can really tear up some track and be halfway refined all at once. And they don't quite come with the sticker shock of a 335xi sedan. |
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Replying to: bigmclargehuge (Mar 10, 2008 12:45 pm) They upgraded to a 6 speed manual and a Torsen rear diff, and this is after it beat all those lux cars in the Road & Track test. It's likely Subaru will give that model more power to further distinguish it from the regular Legacy GT.
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