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#70 of 828 Re: what about the Volvo S40? [esf] by allwheeldriv3 Apr 21, 2005 (6:05 pm)
Replying to: esf (Apr 21, 2005 1:54 pm) u must be smoking something....the S40 directly competes with the A4 and beats it in everything except rear seat leg room.... Replies to this message: esf (Apr 23, 2005 8:04 pm) swedishiron1 (Apr 25, 2005 8:45 am)
#71 of 828 which S40 competes with S4 ? by krzyss Apr 22, 2005 (4:36 am)
Please tell me as I do not know.   Krzys Replies to this message: allwheeldriv3 (Apr 22, 2005 5:46 am)
#72 of 828 Re: which S40 competes with S4 ? [krzyss] by allwheeldriv3 Apr 22, 2005 (5:46 am)
Replying to: krzyss (Apr 22, 2005 4:36 am) i never said anything about the S4....
#73 of 828 Re: what about the Volvo S40? [esf] by pat HOST Apr 22, 2005 (6:19 am)
Replying to: esf (Apr 21, 2005 1:54 pm) >>this is an Audi forum   This is a not uncommon misperception.   It's not an Audi forum, it's a discussion on the Sedans Comparisons board. It is linked to all the vehicles you see at the top of the page. So it shows up when you look for Volvos, also, as well as the rest.   Replies to this message: allwheeldriv3 (Apr 22, 2005 6:44 am)
#74 of 828 Re: what about the Volvo S40? [pat] by allwheeldriv3 Apr 22, 2005 (6:44 am)
Replying to: pat (Apr 22, 2005 6:19 am) It's not an Audi forum, it's a discussion on the Sedans Comparisons board. It is linked to all the vehicles you see at the top of the page.   exactly...thank you...Audi is not the only company that makes AWD Sport Sedans....
#75 of 828 s40 by dhanley Apr 22, 2005 (6:51 am)
I think the s40 competes well against the a4 1.8T/2.0T BUT this is an "ultimate" topic. When there's an s40R ( which ought to be 300hp/300lb-ft ) then there'll be interesting conversation.   dave Replies to this message: allwheeldriv3 (Apr 22, 2005 7:06 am) esf (Apr 23, 2005 8:07 pm) dhanley (Apr 25, 2005 8:32 am) esf (Apr 26, 2005 6:45 pm) and 8 more...
#76 of 828 Re: s40 [dhanley] by allwheeldriv3 Apr 22, 2005 (7:06 am)
Replying to: dhanley (Apr 22, 2005 6:51 am) i agree that the S40 is not "ultimate", however, it is just as good if not better then the A4 and the A4 has been mentioned countless times in this thread....one car that hasn't been mentioned at all however and most certainly is ultimate(if not the ultimate) is the illegal to drive in the US Nissan Skyline.....
#77 of 828 A4? by ateixeira Apr 22, 2005 (8:27 am)
Not really, I think most times the Audi mentioned was the S4 specifically, not the entire A4 lineup.   The S4 and RS4 are ultimate.   -juice
#78 of 828 S60R competes and excedes... by swedishiron1 Apr 22, 2005 (12:14 pm)
Volvo S60R MT will out run the Audi S4 from 0-62 (or 0-60 mph) according to CAR magazine. Plus the Volvo can easily be upgraded to produce more power. It's 4C suspension is quite effective. Haldex supplies the AWD system to both Volvo and Audi.   The R's interiors is more lively then Audi's S4.   The S40 T5 is a competitor to the Audi A4 - no question. I have driven both and the T5 will spank the 4 cylinder Audi and stays GLUED to the road.   If you are considering long term ownership I definitely would stick with Volvo. I've owned elderly Audis and Volvos. Audi has had lots of automatic tranmission problems and a poor history with electricals. Volvo's in general last longer and are cheaper to maintain. The older Volvo's electrics are robust and reliable so I expect the same with newer ones. Replies to this message: bellamusica (Apr 22, 2005 2:10 pm)
#79 of 828 Re: S60R competes and excedes... [swedishiron1] by bellamusica Apr 22, 2005 (2:10 pm)
Replying to: swedishiron1 (Apr 22, 2005 12:14 pm) I may be wrong, but I think the S4 quattro AWD is a torsen system, not Haldex. The TT uses the Haldex setup.   I currently own an Audi and my wife owns a Volvo. I can say that from our experience they are about equal in terms of reliability, neither being great.   I have not seen the interior of the R, but I have a hard time believing that it is a better interior than the S4. If it is, I would love to see it.

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