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What is this discussion about? BMW 3 Series, Audi A4, Volvo S60 R, Subaru Legacy, Audi S4, Mazda MAZDASPEED MAZDA6, Sedan


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#60 of 828
I think you forgot to mention by krzyss
Mar 14, 2005 (9:55 am)
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that 1 Audi A6 4.2 buys almost 2 GTs.
 
Krzys
 
PS BMW, if I am not mistaken, has AWD that works all the time. New 5 series with AWD might be more to your liking.
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Leg GT by ateixeira
Mar 14, 2005 (1:19 pm)
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2006 should get a Nav option. Dealers have already seen the order codes.
 
Audi, Subaru, EVO are indeed full-time.
 
You can add BMW, Mercedes, and Infiniti, that I know of. All systems are full-time and send most of the power to the rear axle for kicks.
 
-juice
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Re: A4 VS. Subaru [civic4] by esf
Apr 18, 2005 (6:54 pm)
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Replying to: civic4 (Mar 03, 2005 3:11 pm)

I really have to disagree with you. We have a '98 A4 1.8t, with an '04 Lexus RX 330, '05 Audi S4 Cabriolet, and an '03 Honda Civic. All of those are pretty reliable cars, save the S4 which hasn't been proven yet (we just got it a week ago- fell in love when we got on the highway), so your A4 must be a lemon. I'm guessing it's the last year of the older model, with the clearer headlights and slightly more aggressive body kit and redesigned interior. That's weird- we've maybe had two problems, we bought our A4 used for the son, and have owned it for three years. The worst we've had is an oil leak, and the other slight things were dents from other people, or scratches on the 17" wheels that my son bought. Before the S4 came, I was driving the A4 because we had turned my leased A6 2.7t in a few weeks earlier. I was perfectly happy driving the A4, there was a bit of shake, but what do you expect in a seven year-old German car with a coffee can exhaust (also compliments of the son)? Exactly. It was exhilarating and low-pitched on the highway, and although puny compared to my S4, it could beat any 330 from a stoplight thanks to its almost 200 horsepower. I really think that the A4 you had was just a lemon, I mean, Audi is easily the top German carmaker in quality and reliability, only behind Lexus, Toyota, and Honda/Acura (tied), in that order. Audi is now in pole position. It won the Best German Luxury Automaker award this year, the A8L has won almost every award for best large luxury sedan in magazines, the S4 was on a ten-best list, the A6 is the best-selling car in Germany, and has just been voted the Best Car in the World, by journalists from all over the world, surpassing at least 100 other cars from Audi and other companies (BMW, Subaru, Infiniti, and Mercedes included), and beating the Volvo S40 and Porsche 911 in the top three. How can someone top that? Oh yeah, you can't...
 By the way, if I were you, I'd go out and test the new 4.2 A6, because we did after our '00 A6 2.7T. We thought the 3.2 wasn't ample enough, so looked at the S4 and A6 V8. The A6's luxury-heavy heritage is apparent here, but in performance, also, it really gives the BMW 545i and Mercedes-Benz E 500 4Matic a run for their money.
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Re: Plenty of 'em [rsholland] by esf
Apr 18, 2005 (7:04 pm)
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Replying to: rsholland (Mar 08, 2005 8:03 am)

The S4 is obviously the best- I mean, it literally has no competition. I mean, think of another V8 sports sedan in the $40K-50K range, with AWD, that is the S4's size! There's nothing! But, if you have the green, wait a little and see if you want to sprint for the RS4 before the waiting list exceeds the building capacity. But, the S4 delivers an incredible experience. We drove two sedans and one convertible, and got the convertible because I just wanted that open-air feeling. The S4 delivers a truly amazing ride, though. It sounds like one of the American muscle cars with that V8, without trying too hard like a Benz C 55 AMG. It sounds so creamy, I just wanted to rev it in the parking lot before I drove off, but I refrained from that temptation. It has more luxury, coolness, exclusivity, and understated style than any M3 you'd dust from a stoplight, all for at least $3K less. What do you say? Hint: S4.
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S4 driver's delight by las4
Apr 18, 2005 (7:40 pm)
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Having just sold my 2000 S4 and leased a new 2005 S4 Avant, I have to agree (maybe I'm a little prejudiced) that the S4 is one of the finest road cars I've ever driven. Now what to do to replace my wife's 330ci...I want the RS4 now!
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Audi Reliability? by mikenk
Apr 19, 2005 (3:03 am)
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Quote from ESF "I really think that the A4 you had was just a lemon, I mean, Audi is easily the top German carmaker in quality and reliability, only behind Lexus, Toyota, and Honda/Acura (tied), in that order."
 
Yikes!! Where did that come from? Audi undoubtedly makes some nice cars - both to look at and drive, but long term reliability is not their strength - not even close to Toyota, Honda, Subaru, or even Ford for that matter. My data is from the latest issue of Consumer Reports, which as far as I know is the only statistically accurate source concerning long term reliability.
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what about the Volvo S40? by allwheeldriv3
Apr 19, 2005 (9:52 am)
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most of this thread talks about the A4, but only once(msg #62) has anyone even mentioned the S40. i recently drove both and opted for the S40. the audi seemed overpriced simply because it was an audi. it's true the S40's AWD is front biased, but that only saves gas.....it kicks in when required and so fast that it is totally unnoticable. the S40 T5 is faster than the A4 1.8T and has higher safety standards. the dolby surround sound system kicks in the S40. to top all this off the volvo is thousands of $ less expensive. in my opinion the S40 looks better than the A4 as well. please admin add the S40 to the "What is this discussion about?" list of this thread. after all, it did recieve second place for World Car of the Year behind the A6 this year.....
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S40 T5 by ateixeira
Apr 19, 2005 (9:56 am)
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Nice car, but is it ultimate in any way?
 
Not really. We're not talking about the A4 1.8T, we're talking about the V8 S4 and even the RS4. Those are ultimate.
 
S40 T5 is merely "great".
 
-juice
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Re: Audi Reliability? [mikenk] by esf
Apr 21, 2005 (1:51 pm)
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Replying to: mikenk (Apr 19, 2005 3:03 am)

I might've overdid it a little... sorry. But, they are the most reliable German car company, and that's for sure. I also just remembered that Hyundai and Kia are better than the Germans. Whatever, because I really don't see any serious technical problems with Audi. I got my data from J.D.Power. Ford is worse than Audi in reliability in most places, and you may be thinking of durability, which is far better in America than any German carmaker. I don't disagree with you about the others, though. Probably the only Japanese car that's worse than Audi is Daihatsu!
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Re: what about the Volvo S40? [allwheeldriv3] by esf
Apr 21, 2005 (1:54 pm)
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Replying to: allwheeldriv3 (Apr 19, 2005 9:52 am)

No one mentions the S40 because they're not the A4's competition (Not quite as high class or as big), and this is an Audi forum, not Volvo. Their only similarities are all-wheel-drive, having four doors, an engine, and a trunk.

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