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#56 of 828 '04 model by beanboy Mar 09, 2005 (8:32 pm)
05s weren't out while I was shopping.   -B
#57 of 828 Lexus GS AWD by samiam_68 Mar 10, 2005 (10:12 am)
Did anyone check out the 2006 GS-300 AWD? 245hp, 21/27MPG, gorgeous in and out, Dolby surround with DVD audio and SAT radio. NAV. Memory everything. BOW friggin' WOW! I WANT ONE! I'm getting a second job.....lol
#58 of 828 GS by ateixeira Mar 10, 2005 (10:14 am)
They look better now, also.   Gen I was Guigiaro, but CALTY messed up Gen II and the proportions just didn't look right.   -juice
#59 of 828 Audi A6 4.2 vs Legacy GT Wagon by dashbb Mar 14, 2005 (9:49 am)
I currently drive an Audi A6 4.2 Quattro. Its hard to enjoy a FWD car once you've owned a true AWD system such as the Quattro. Other than Audi, Subaru and Lancer EVO, all other cars are either front-drive, rear assist or rear-drive, front-assist. (Please correct me if I'm mistaken).   Subaru Legacy GT Wagon offers more cargo space, and although it has about 50hp less than Audi, it makes up for it in curb-weight.   With the shotty reliability of Audi's & the high sticker price, Subaru Legacy GT becomes the obvious choice. The only thing you lose is the status that comes with the 4 circles!   What I did not like about the LGT compared to Audi: --Small rear seats & passenger volume. --Narrow wheels & tires. Audi has 255/40/17 size. --Inferior fit & finish quality, especially leather. --Slow Auto-Manual (Tiptronic) shifting in Subaru. The LGT reads a book before shifting. --No memory seats, navigation, quality sound system (such as Bose).
#60 of 828 I think you forgot to mention by krzyss Mar 14, 2005 (9:55 am)
that 1 Audi A6 4.2 buys almost 2 GTs.   Krzys   PS BMW, if I am not mistaken, has AWD that works all the time. New 5 series with AWD might be more to your liking.
#61 of 828 Leg GT by ateixeira Mar 14, 2005 (1:19 pm)
2006 should get a Nav option. Dealers have already seen the order codes.   Audi, Subaru, EVO are indeed full-time.   You can add BMW, Mercedes, and Infiniti, that I know of. All systems are full-time and send most of the power to the rear axle for kicks.   -juice
#62 of 828 Re: A4 VS. Subaru [civic4] by esf Apr 18, 2005 (6:54 pm)
Replying to: civic4 (Mar 03, 2005 3:11 pm) I really have to disagree with you. We have a '98 A4 1.8t, with an '04 Lexus RX 330, '05 Audi S4 Cabriolet, and an '03 Honda Civic. All of those are pretty reliable cars, save the S4 which hasn't been proven yet (we just got it a week ago- fell in love when we got on the highway), so your A4 must be a lemon. I'm guessing it's the last year of the older model, with the clearer headlights and slightly more aggressive body kit and redesigned interior. That's weird- we've maybe had two problems, we bought our A4 used for the son, and have owned it for three years. The worst we've had is an oil leak, and the other slight things were dents from other people, or scratches on the 17" wheels that my son bought. Before the S4 came, I was driving the A4 because we had turned my leased A6 2.7t in a few weeks earlier. I was perfectly happy driving the A4, there was a bit of shake, but what do you expect in a seven year-old German car with a coffee can exhaust (also compliments of the son)? Exactly. It was exhilarating and low-pitched on the highway, and although puny compared to my S4, it could beat any 330 from a stoplight thanks to its almost 200 horsepower. I really think that the A4 you had was just a lemon, I mean, Audi is easily the top German carmaker in quality and reliability, only behind Lexus, Toyota, and Honda/Acura (tied), in that order. Audi is now in pole position. It won the Best German Luxury Automaker award this year, the A8L has won almost every award for best large luxury sedan in magazines, the S4 was on a ten-best list, the A6 is the best-selling car in Germany, and has just been voted the Best Car in the World, by journalists from all over the world, surpassing at least 100 other cars from Audi and other companies (BMW, Subaru, Infiniti, and Mercedes included), and beating the Volvo S40 and Porsche 911 in the top three. How can someone top that? Oh yeah, you can't...  By the way, if I were you, I'd go out and test the new 4.2 A6, because we did after our '00 A6 2.7T. We thought the 3.2 wasn't ample enough, so looked at the S4 and A6 V8. The A6's luxury-heavy heritage is apparent here, but in performance, also, it really gives the BMW 545i and Mercedes-Benz E 500 4Matic a run for their money.
#63 of 828 Re: Plenty of 'em [rsholland] by esf Apr 18, 2005 (7:04 pm)
Replying to: rsholland (Mar 08, 2005 8:03 am) The S4 is obviously the best- I mean, it literally has no competition. I mean, think of another V8 sports sedan in the $40K-50K range, with AWD, that is the S4's size! There's nothing! But, if you have the green, wait a little and see if you want to sprint for the RS4 before the waiting list exceeds the building capacity. But, the S4 delivers an incredible experience. We drove two sedans and one convertible, and got the convertible because I just wanted that open-air feeling. The S4 delivers a truly amazing ride, though. It sounds like one of the American muscle cars with that V8, without trying too hard like a Benz C 55 AMG. It sounds so creamy, I just wanted to rev it in the parking lot before I drove off, but I refrained from that temptation. It has more luxury, coolness, exclusivity, and understated style than any M3 you'd dust from a stoplight, all for at least $3K less. What do you say? Hint: S4.
#64 of 828 S4 driver's delight by las4 Apr 18, 2005 (7:40 pm)
Having just sold my 2000 S4 and leased a new 2005 S4 Avant, I have to agree (maybe I'm a little prejudiced) that the S4 is one of the finest road cars I've ever driven. Now what to do to replace my wife's 330ci...I want the RS4 now!
#65 of 828 Audi Reliability? by mikenk Apr 19, 2005 (3:03 am)
Quote from ESF "I really think that the A4 you had was just a lemon, I mean, Audi is easily the top German carmaker in quality and reliability, only behind Lexus, Toyota, and Honda/Acura (tied), in that order."   Yikes!! Where did that come from? Audi undoubtedly makes some nice cars - both to look at and drive, but long term reliability is not their strength - not even close to Toyota, Honda, Subaru, or even Ford for that matter. My data is from the latest issue of Consumer Reports, which as far as I know is the only statistically accurate source concerning long term reliability. Replies to this message: esf (Apr 21, 2005 1:51 pm)

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