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#412 of 828 Re: S60 R [qbrozen] by ateixeira Aug 27, 2007 (11:22 am)
Replying to: qbrozen (Aug 22, 2007 4:40 am) True.   Still, you can't subtract 400 lbs, which is what would make this car the ultimate IMO.   Preferably all 400 lbs from the front axle, too.
#413 of 828 Enough talk about unreliable VW's (audi) by 6sptl Aug 28, 2007 (2:11 pm)
Acura has the most advanced AWD system in the market at this time SHAWD. Not only is it one of 2 torque vectoring systems, its the only torque vectoring system that not only transfers torque but can actually overaccelerate the rear tire that is the torque recipient thus reducing understeer. The system is totally transparent works at all speeds and as other AWD systems enhances drivability in all weather conditions. No european manufacturer has been able to introduce their own version though audi and BMW are assidiously working to catch up. Of course SHAWD comes with Honda quality and reliability, standard. Available on the RL MDX and RDX, and probably on the next TL. Replies to this message: shipo (Aug 28, 2007 5:19 pm) lovemyclk (Aug 28, 2007 8:34 pm) habitat1 (Aug 29, 2007 12:34 am) fighter1 (Aug 29, 2007 8:31 am) ateixeira (Aug 29, 2007 9:43 am) and 6 more... fighter1 (Aug 29, 2007 8:30 am)
#414 of 828 Re: Enough talk about unreliable VW's (audi) [6sptl] by shipo Aug 28, 2007 (5:19 pm)
Replying to: 6sptl (Aug 28, 2007 2:11 pm) A) I think you've been reading too much Honda marketing bilge. B) The "most advanced" doesn't mean the best or the most effective. That realm is occupied by Audi.
#415 of 828 Re: Enough talk about unreliable VW's (audi) [6sptl] by lovemyclk Aug 28, 2007 (8:34 pm)
Replying to: 6sptl (Aug 28, 2007 2:11 pm) It is a wonder that any other brand even sells cars given your insight
#416 of 828 Re: Enough talk about unreliable VW's (audi) [6sptl] by habitat1 Aug 29, 2007 (12:34 am)
Replying to: 6sptl (Aug 28, 2007 2:11 pm) Acura may have one of the most technologically advanced AWD systems on paper. But the "super handling" RL isn't anywhere near super-handling in my book. It is a grossly overweight car that has a below average suspension and steering compared to a 5-series. And this is from someone who has a 2004 TL 6-speed and 2005 MDX in their garage, not a BMW loyalist.   If the next TL becomes as relatively obese and ho-hum handling as the RL, Acura can keep it. I'd be much more inclined to see it offered in a RWD version that stayed under 3,500 lbs.   Acura's SH-AWD system makes for great reading. But, unfortunately, the RL is a very poor showcase in the real on-road experience. Haven't spent as much time in a new MDX. Replies to this message: fighter1 (Aug 29, 2007 8:31 am) ateixeira (Aug 29, 2007 9:43 am) 6sptl (Aug 29, 2007 10:43 am) and 5 more...
#418 of 828 Re: Enough talk about unreliable VW's (audi) [6sptl] by fighter1 Aug 29, 2007 (8:30 am)
Replying to: 6sptl (Aug 28, 2007 2:11 pm) Most advanced systems prone to most advanced errors. Audi has best awd on the marked. RL looks good on a paper, but in real life I will choose A6.
#419 of 828 Re: Enough talk about unreliable VW's (audi) [6sptl] by fighter1 Aug 29, 2007 (8:31 am)
Better than bimmer handling? Honda & Toyota are dreaming about it, but can't make it yet.
#420 of 828 Re: Enough talk about unreliable VW's (audi) [6sptl] by ateixeira Aug 29, 2007 (9:43 am)
I'm a fan of SH-AWD, but I'd like to see Acura come up with a better overall package. As proof, the RL has basically failed in the marketplace.   One happy owner doesn't change that. There aren't nearly enough people like you to make the RL a success.   Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't mind a used one, supposedly they're a good value because they don't retain their prices as well as the M35 and Lexus GS. Replies to this message: 6sptl (Aug 29, 2007 10:43 am) ateixeira (Aug 29, 2007 12:11 pm) habitat1 (Aug 29, 2007 5:52 pm) 6sptl (Aug 31, 2007 8:55 am) and 2 more...
#421 of 828 Re: Enough talk about unreliable VW's (audi) [ateixeira] by 6sptl Aug 29, 2007 (10:43 am)
Replying to: ateixeira (Aug 29, 2007 9:43 am) The biggest problem for the RL is perception, many fans expected an M5, which obviously the RL is not. Nor is it a "bling" mobile a la Lexus. The RL did and still does outperform all of its 6 cylinder AWD competition. However, all of it's competitors have a higher performing V8 powered versions that give its lesser siblings the all important halo model. Though 80% or more of MB and bimmers sold are the 6 cylinder models, the owners enjoy the "props" of their higher priced siblings even though in direct competition with the RL they would handily be handed their rear ends! I personally don't know if Honda will ever build a "luxury" sedan that will crack that echelon of the market succesfuly. Such vehicles are just too contrarian to the overall company philosophy of value. Although racing is a Honda heritage, it is simply an adjunct to the philosophy of value and enviromental stewardship. In the end Honda will probably be better off anyway. Ferrari builds the most acclaimed sports cars however, in almost 100years their corporation has grown to a 1000th of Honda's size, thus in the big picture who wins in the end????? Yes an Enzo is hot, but a civic Si is a completely enjoyable, sophisticated, reliable and environmentally concious transportation device we can all enjoy! Replies to this message: ateixeira (Aug 29, 2007 12:11 pm) habitat1 (Aug 29, 2007 5:52 pm) 6sptl (Aug 31, 2007 8:55 am) habitat1 (Aug 31, 2007 10:02 am) lilengineerboy (Aug 31, 2007 1:00 pm)

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