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What is this discussion about? BMW 3 Series, Audi A4, Volvo S60 R, Subaru Legacy, Audi S4, Mazda MAZDASPEED MAZDA6, Sedan

#402 of 828 Re: Audi #1 AWD [ateixeira] by lilengineerboy Jun 20, 2007 (1:08 pm)
Replying to: ateixeira (Jun 20, 2007 12:38 pm) When did the RT4WD Civic wag-o-van thing start showing up? It was mid-80s I believe, like '86 maybe? Toyota had a 4wd Corolla wagon (but I can't remember if that was pre-86) and Camry, and the Dodge Colt Vista (and other Mitsubihis) could be 4wd, as could the Tempo. I have an old Motor Trend that did a small 4wd wagons comparison test (and I think a type 85 Audi 4000Q and 5000TQ might have been in that issue too).   By the 90s, with cars like the Diamond Stars, AWD was pretty well integrated.
#403 of 828 Add the MazdaSpeed6 by waygrabow Aug 02, 2007 (7:04 pm)
If the Subaru Legacy is considered an Ultimate AWD sports sedan, then I can't understand why the Mazdaspeed6 would not also qualify for this category. The two are closely matched. Replies to this message: pat (Aug 09, 2007 8:48 am)
#404 of 828 2001 S4 FTW! by s4orcenj Aug 09, 2007 (4:30 am)
2001 Audi B5 S4 FTW!!!!!! and i will defend it till the day i die!!! you get speed and luxary and your BOOSTIN baby!!
#405 of 828 Comparison Tests by jaj Aug 09, 2007 (7:34 am)
Has anyone come across any articles putting AWD sedans head to head using the BMW 3 with current engines? I recall seeing a Road and Track comparo in which they were not very complimentary about the Bimmer but that was with the '06 configurations. Any references or thoughts would be appreciated.   -JAJ Replies to this message: circlew (Aug 09, 2007 8:38 am)
#406 of 828 Re: Comparison Tests [jaj] by circlew Aug 09, 2007 (8:38 am)
Replying to: jaj (Aug 09, 2007 7:34 am) I could not find any with 2007+ BMW xdrive comparo.   Regards, OW
#407 of 828 Re: Add the MazdaSpeed6 [waygrabow] by pat HOST Aug 09, 2007 (8:48 am)
Replying to: waygrabow (Aug 02, 2007 7:04 pm) All you had to do is ask!   Any others? Anyone?
#408 of 828 S60 R by tgkoenigsegg Aug 21, 2007 (4:23 pm)
I would have to say overall I think that the S60 R is the clear winner in this category. It is the best value, high on power,and it is comfortable as well. You could also get an upgrade to boost it to the power of the S4 and cure the suspension problem for less than the price of a similarly equipped S4. Replies to this message: shipo (Aug 21, 2007 4:40 pm) dhanley (Aug 21, 2007 6:47 pm) qbrozen (Aug 22, 2007 4:40 am) ateixeira (Aug 27, 2007 11:22 am)
#409 of 828 Re: S60 R [tgkoenigsegg] by shipo Aug 21, 2007 (4:40 pm)
Replying to: tgkoenigsegg (Aug 21, 2007 4:23 pm) Said another way, the S60 R isn't the best car in this category unless you add aftermarket parts.
#410 of 828 Re: S60 R [tgkoenigsegg] by dhanley Aug 21, 2007 (6:47 pm)
Replying to: tgkoenigsegg (Aug 21, 2007 4:23 pm) " You could also get an upgrade to boost it to the power of the S4 and cure the suspension problem for less than the price of a similarly equipped S4."   I'm not sure those options are realistic.   In the case of the engine, reviews already say the turbo lag is bad enough that the engine feels like an on/off switch; either no power or lots of power. Unless you are cleverer than volvo's engineers, you're not going to add much power without adding a lot of lag, or grenading the engine. It's already a 300hp 2.5L for BOB's sake.   In the case of the suspension, the suspension is already quite complex, with "sport" and "normal modes" etc. There's issues with weight distribution, geometry, suspension travel, chassis rigidity, etc. Just swapping on bilsteins isn't going to fix it.   As for "best value", the s60r's msrp is $38,985. That's not a bad price compared to some, but in the ballpark of some nice vehicles. Replies to this message: qbrozen (Aug 22, 2007 4:40 am) ateixeira (Aug 27, 2007 11:22 am)
#411 of 828 Re: S60 R [dhanley] by qbrozen Aug 22, 2007 (4:40 am)
Replying to: dhanley (Aug 21, 2007 6:47 pm) As for "best value", the s60r's msrp is $38,985. That's not a bad price compared to some, but in the ballpark of some nice vehicles.   But street price is a WHOLE different ballgame on these. Replies to this message: ateixeira (Aug 27, 2007 11:22 am)

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