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Re: Crying [alltorque] by circlew
Jun 11, 2007 (12:22 pm)
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Replying to: alltorque (Jun 11, 2007 9:50 am)

AT, I hear ya! I can't believe the price difference. Is it including all taxes or is that list price? Why so different?
 
Heck, buy a 335xi (if you want AWD) in the US under ED and ship it back and you will save USDThousands!
 
At the same time, purchase an ISO Tanker of fuel in NJ and send back to GB to save even more! (an ISO tanker holds 24,000 liters!).
 
Regards,
OW
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Re: Crying [circlew] by alltorque
Jun 11, 2007 (12:44 pm)
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Replying to: circlew (Jun 11, 2007 12:22 pm)

Those prices are on-the-road incl of all taxes and maybe, if you're lucky, a full tank of fuel.
 
Ah, buying a car in USA and shipping is a fine idea, except that the UK auithorities then sting you for Import Duty as it's from outside the EU. Not sure what the rate is, (but it's probably +17.5% VAT as well), but I believe the value used for calculation of Import Duty etc is the UK Customs' valuation. This may, or may not, be the same as the USA Invoice value.............their decision, I think but I'm happy to be corrected. No win.
 
As for fuel import for personal use - forget it. When we pay £1 per litre at the pump, approx 72% of that is Duty & Tax. Guess what they'd hit you with at port of entry ? Want to run your diesel on recycled cooking oil ? No problem - provided youe pay the full Duty & Tax same as proper diesel. Do it and son't declare it ? Huge fine if caught.
 
In the U.K. the motorist is Public Enemy No. 1
 
Sorry, heading for a rant, again. Nearly time to SKYPE my friend in TX and calm down. At least SKYPE is still free.
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Audi by krzyss
Jun 12, 2007 (5:02 am)
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Germans built 4WD vehicles during WWII too. Willis was not the only 4WD vehicle in the military use.
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auto_Union
http://www.hlj.com/product/TAM32403
http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~lloyd/4/History/
 
from last link:
1902: Spyker featured a 6-cylinder engine and four wheel drive!
 
Krzys
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Re: Audi [krzyss] by alltorque
Jun 12, 2007 (10:21 am)
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Replying to: krzyss (Jun 12, 2007 5:02 am)

krzyss, Absolutely agree. 4WD/AWD has been around a long time. Merely mentioned the Jeep as it's the one most most, (younger), folk have heard of/seen but there were, indeed, many more.
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Re: Audi #1 AWD [ateixeira] by shipo
Jun 14, 2007 (6:17 pm)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Jun 11, 2007 10:20 am)

"They may have been the first to mass market an AWD car, though. I never thought of them as a 4WD pioneer."
 
Hmmm, call me nuts but didn't AMC offer a jacked up "Hi-Rider" version of their butt ugly Eagle sedan with AWD back in the late 1970s?
 
Best Regards,
Shipo
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Re: Audi #1 AWD [shipo] by kyfdx HOST
Jun 14, 2007 (7:39 pm)
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Replying to: shipo (Jun 14, 2007 6:17 pm)

I think that car was all Jeep CJ-5, underneath..
 
So, if you don't mind part-time 4WD with a transfer case, I guess you could call it an AWD sedan..
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Re: Audi #1 AWD [shipo] by ateixeira
Jun 20, 2007 (11:19 am)
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Replying to: shipo (Jun 14, 2007 6:17 pm)

AMC came in the late 80s, but Subaru had a GL wagon with full locking 4WD and a raised suspension way, way back in 1973. They came first by half a decade.
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Re: Audi #1 AWD [ateixeira] by qbrozen
Jun 20, 2007 (11:23 am)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Jun 20, 2007 11:19 am)

Eagle was 1980, actually.
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Re: Audi #1 AWD [qbrozen] by ateixeira
Jun 20, 2007 (11:59 am)
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Replying to: qbrozen (Jun 20, 2007 11:23 am)

7 years later, wow. Subaru by a long shot.
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Re: Audi #1 AWD [ateixeira] by qbrozen
Jun 20, 2007 (12:29 pm)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Jun 20, 2007 11:59 am)

How liberal in the description are we talking?
 
Willys had a 4wd "station wagon" back in 1947.
They aren't particularly tall, but taller than a subie or eagle, so maybe just a very early SUV.

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