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Re: S4 vs. RS4 [ateixeira] by circlew
Feb 28, 2007 (7:35 am)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Feb 28, 2007 7:03 am)

I believe Audi coming out with a RS6 also. 525-550HP. But there is the weight issue. RS4is heavy also.
 
When the 335Xi comes out, this will be BMW's closest shot at this category.
 
The Lancer EVO is also a good candidate but I believe the RS4 edges it in a few of the performance categories and the difference in accommodations are worlds apart.
 
Regards,
OW
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Re: Audi #1 AWD [premiumdetail] by alltorque
Jun 11, 2007 (9:17 am)
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Replying to: premiumdetail (Dec 12, 2004 11:45 am)

Sorry, but Audi did not invent 4WD or AWD. It was around long before Audi - lots of AWD stuff in WWII and before.............Willy's Jeep springs to mind as a prime example but lots of trucks ran similar systems, incl Land Rover just after WWII. Indeed, Stirling Moss won a Gold Cup race meeting in a 4WD car in 1961, Jensen introduced the FF, ( Ferguson Formula - that's Harry Ferguson as in Massey Ferguson), luxury car in 1966 and the first Range Rover appeared in 1970; but that was just a Landie in a smart suit.
 
Audi revolutionised the world of Rallying with their Quattro system and, therefore, are often - and incorrectly - attributed with the invention of 4WD. Well may be the best technical system; I cannot judge but is almost certainly best known car system.
 
Just me being an anorak.
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Crying by alltorque
Jun 11, 2007 (9:50 am)
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Hey folks, just reading thro' some earlier posts made me want to cry. Here in UK the price for a base Audi A4 Cabrio 1.8T is GBP25995 - that's around USD46k - without any options and not much discount available either. The Audi S6 with the 5.2 Litre V10 starts at GBP56600 or circa USD101k and forget any discount. And, of course we're at least 3000 miles closer to the factory than you guys/gals. Don't even get me onto the almost-USD7 per US Gallon cost of fuel over here, which makes running an S6 a game only for the seriously rich. I'm using USD for $ and GBP for £ 'cos I'm not sure how the system will interpret the symbols.
 
No, don't send sympathy - send money.
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Re: Audi #1 AWD [alltorque] by ateixeira
Jun 11, 2007 (10:20 am)
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Replying to: alltorque (Jun 11, 2007 9:17 am)

They may have been the first to mass market an AWD car, though. I never thought of them as a 4WD pioneer.
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Re: Crying [alltorque] by circlew
Jun 11, 2007 (12:22 pm)
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Replying to: alltorque (Jun 11, 2007 9:50 am)

AT, I hear ya! I can't believe the price difference. Is it including all taxes or is that list price? Why so different?
 
Heck, buy a 335xi (if you want AWD) in the US under ED and ship it back and you will save USDThousands!
 
At the same time, purchase an ISO Tanker of fuel in NJ and send back to GB to save even more! (an ISO tanker holds 24,000 liters!).
 
Regards,
OW
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Re: Crying [circlew] by alltorque
Jun 11, 2007 (12:44 pm)
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Replying to: circlew (Jun 11, 2007 12:22 pm)

Those prices are on-the-road incl of all taxes and maybe, if you're lucky, a full tank of fuel.
 
Ah, buying a car in USA and shipping is a fine idea, except that the UK auithorities then sting you for Import Duty as it's from outside the EU. Not sure what the rate is, (but it's probably +17.5% VAT as well), but I believe the value used for calculation of Import Duty etc is the UK Customs' valuation. This may, or may not, be the same as the USA Invoice value.............their decision, I think but I'm happy to be corrected. No win.
 
As for fuel import for personal use - forget it. When we pay £1 per litre at the pump, approx 72% of that is Duty & Tax. Guess what they'd hit you with at port of entry ? Want to run your diesel on recycled cooking oil ? No problem - provided youe pay the full Duty & Tax same as proper diesel. Do it and son't declare it ? Huge fine if caught.
 
In the U.K. the motorist is Public Enemy No. 1
 
Sorry, heading for a rant, again. Nearly time to SKYPE my friend in TX and calm down. At least SKYPE is still free.
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Audi by krzyss
Jun 12, 2007 (5:02 am)
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Germans built 4WD vehicles during WWII too. Willis was not the only 4WD vehicle in the military use.
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auto_Union
http://www.hlj.com/product/TAM32403
http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~lloyd/4/History/
 
from last link:
1902: Spyker featured a 6-cylinder engine and four wheel drive!
 
Krzys
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Re: Audi [krzyss] by alltorque
Jun 12, 2007 (10:21 am)
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Replying to: krzyss (Jun 12, 2007 5:02 am)

krzyss, Absolutely agree. 4WD/AWD has been around a long time. Merely mentioned the Jeep as it's the one most most, (younger), folk have heard of/seen but there were, indeed, many more.
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Re: Audi #1 AWD [ateixeira] by shipo
Jun 14, 2007 (6:17 pm)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Jun 11, 2007 10:20 am)

"They may have been the first to mass market an AWD car, though. I never thought of them as a 4WD pioneer."
 
Hmmm, call me nuts but didn't AMC offer a jacked up "Hi-Rider" version of their butt ugly Eagle sedan with AWD back in the late 1970s?
 
Best Regards,
Shipo
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Re: Audi #1 AWD [shipo] by kyfdx HOST
Jun 14, 2007 (7:39 pm)
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Replying to: shipo (Jun 14, 2007 6:17 pm)

I think that car was all Jeep CJ-5, underneath..
 
So, if you don't mind part-time 4WD with a transfer case, I guess you could call it an AWD sedan..

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