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#373 of 828 Re: AWD vs. FWD on Volvo S60 [circlew] by dhanley Dec 16, 2006 (7:07 am)
Replying to: circlew (Dec 16, 2006 6:51 am) I don't doubt that the fun factor exists in the AWD 3-er setup, and also that on a tight track AWD might beat RWD because of the ability to get on full power sooner out of a turn. My choice was based on the idea that the RWD setup will be a bit sharper, lighter, and get better MPG, and i've never had a problem getting around with snows. If i had a house on a hill in snow country, i might well choose otherwise. But it's pretty flat and plowed around here.
#374 of 828 Re: AWD vs. FWD on Volvo S60 [circlew] by designman Dec 16, 2006 (7:48 am)
Replying to: circlew (Dec 16, 2006 6:51 am) I see some comparos with the Carrera 4 vs. 4s and others where awd actually outperforms the rwd model.   It’s hard to compare the Porsches with the 3-series because of the striking difference in weight balance. The 911s are tough to handle in turns as you approach the limits because of its extreme rear weight bias and the AWD mitigates this by putting weight up front. AWD will perform better in corners because of its ability to add pull through them but there is still the weight tradeoff. That extra 242 pounds in the 328i vs 328xi is a lot. The difference in the C2S vs C4S is only 121 pounds and the Porsches weigh considerably less to begin with. But remember, the thing that makes the 911 AWD so desirable to some is the “improved” weight balance and tempering of the oversteer. This is not the case with the BMWs which go from virtually neutral to front bias. Replies to this message: circlew (Dec 16, 2006 9:49 am)
#375 of 828 Re: AWD vs. FWD on Volvo S60 [designman] by circlew Dec 16, 2006 (9:49 am)
Replying to: designman (Dec 16, 2006 7:48 am) design,   you make excellent points as does shipo and habitat. I really want to test the c4s which is possibly ultimate awd at the end of the day. In March I will be all over the 335xi to see the next iteration in turbo dress.   Just a point, the x-drive and electronic nannys are not intrusive together in this package on the north side of rational driving. The combination really works well, IMO. Wet traction defies logic!   Regards, OW
#376 of 828 Re: AWD vs. FWD on Volvo S60 [dhanley] by qbrozen Dec 18, 2006 (8:04 am)
Replying to: dhanley (Dec 15, 2006 3:06 pm) wow. $35k. That's great. Congrats.   I agree about the options. When I priced one, I believe the only option I found I would really like was the cold weather and smartkey thing. Although metallic paint would probably be on there, too.
#377 of 828 Manual Transmissions and 100 MPH in the 1/4 mile by joe131 Dec 19, 2006 (7:50 am)
I'd like to start a discusssion on manual transmission cars that can hit about100 MPH in the 1/4 mile. I looked at the website but can't figure out how to start a new one. I'm thinking BMW 335i, Mustang GT, Acura TL type S, Infinity G35 and the like with a maximum sticker price of around $50,000. What others are available with manual transmissions (the kind with the clutch pedal on the floor, remember)? In the market for one, preferably new '06 or '07. AWD is not a requirement. Replies to this message: pat (Dec 19, 2006 10:39 am)
#378 of 828 Re: Manual Transmissions and 100 MPH in the 1/4 mile [joe131] by pat HOST Dec 19, 2006 (10:39 am)
Replying to: joe131 (Dec 19, 2006 7:50 am) I see you figured it out.   Here's a link for the rest of you to join in: Cars? Stick shift and 100 MPH in the 1/4 mile.
#379 of 828 S4 vs. RS4 by circlew Dec 19, 2006 (6:17 pm)
Does anyone have an opinion on the ultimate Audi? Replies to this message: ateixeira (Jan 12, 2007 9:49 am) circlew (Jan 13, 2007 7:49 am) esf (Jan 14, 2007 11:09 pm) ateixeira (Jan 17, 2007 9:33 am) monkstermann (Feb 27, 2007 8:08 pm) ateixeira (Feb 28, 2007 7:03 am) circlew (Feb 28, 2007 7:35 am)
#380 of 828 Re: S4 vs. RS4 [circlew] by ateixeira Jan 12, 2007 (9:49 am)
Replying to: circlew (Dec 19, 2006 6:17 pm) We took an S4 cabrio from DC to Philly, and while extremely nice, nothing about it screamed "ultimate".   RS4 without question.   -juice Replies to this message: circlew (Jan 13, 2007 7:49 am) esf (Jan 14, 2007 11:09 pm) ateixeira (Jan 17, 2007 9:33 am)
#381 of 828 Re: S4 vs. RS4 [ateixeira] by circlew Jan 13, 2007 (7:49 am)
Replying to: ateixeira (Jan 12, 2007 9:49 am) Thanks juice. The rags say the RS4 is really over the top for this segment since it is probably better than the current/previous M's and price is skyscraper high.   Regards, OW
#382 of 828 M3 vs. RS4 by circlew Jan 13, 2007 (2:18 pm)
Here's a great example of some of the discusions on AWD and RWD in some of the best sedans around. Enjoy!   http://www.metacafe.com/watch/122116/2007_audi_rs4/   Regards, OW

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