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Ultimate AWD Sports Sedans

828 messages,  Last post on Oct 03, 2009 at 9:40 PM

You are in the Sedans Forum. Your Hosts are pat & karens

What is this discussion about? BMW 3 Series, Audi A4, Volvo S60 R, Subaru Legacy, Audi S4, Mazda MAZDASPEED MAZDA6, Sedan


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Re: AWD vs. FWD on Volvo S60 [voxboy] by ateixeira
Dec 04, 2006 (9:28 am)
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Replying to: voxboy (Dec 03, 2006 9:03 am)

In general I think you can count on a Volvo to be very durable, i.e. last a long time, but I think it might need more repairs than average along the way.
 
For some reason friends of mine that have had them gave them up because of little things that kept adding up, often electrical things.
 
-juice
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Re: AWD vs. FWD on Volvo S60 [ateixeira] by dhanley
Dec 14, 2006 (9:08 pm)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Dec 04, 2006 9:28 am)

Well, i just placed an order on a 335i. I'll be euro-delivering it. Thanks for all the ideas, guys!
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Re: AWD vs. FWD on Volvo S60 [dhanley] by qbrozen
Dec 15, 2006 (7:01 am)
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Replying to: dhanley (Dec 14, 2006 9:08 pm)

may i ask the details? Options? pricing? timeframe?
 
and, to keep it somewhat on topic, why did you decide on a RWD car?
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Ultimate FUTURE AWD Sports Sedan by circlew
Dec 15, 2006 (2:23 pm)
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The 335xi could be the answer to this forum...
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Re: AWD vs. FWD on Volvo S60 [qbrozen] by dhanley
Dec 15, 2006 (3:06 pm)
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Replying to: qbrozen (Dec 15, 2006 7:01 am)

Pretty basic ( for a 335i ) since most of the options i want are included ( sunroof, xenons, logic 7 sterio. ). So i just got metallic paint ( montego blue) and cold weather. I'm paying $900 over euro invoice, or $35340.
 
I went with RWD because i think you need snow tires in any case, and i feel that RWD+snows is perfectly adequate, as i'm not climbing icy mountians. IMO DSC keeps you safe, not AWD.
 
And, yes, the 335xi may qualify for this topic.
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Re: AWD vs. FWD on Volvo S60 [dhanley] by circlew
Dec 16, 2006 (6:51 am)
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Replying to: dhanley (Dec 15, 2006 3:06 pm)

Shipo and other agree with you on the ultimate sports sedan setup with RWD/SP but I beg to differ. AWD on the 3 series is quite a potent handling package and the more I test the limits and learn how to manage the setup, I feel the weight difference but disagree with view that it inhibits control. I actually think the fun factor still exists in this configuration. I would like to know more about the suspension tuning differences.
 
I would like to ask the hosts if they can add any light to possibility of a track test of the '06-'07 AWD vs. RWD 3series.
 
I see some comparos with the Carrera 4 vs. 4s and others where awd actually outperforms the rwd model.
 
Regards,
OW
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Re: AWD vs. FWD on Volvo S60 [circlew] by dhanley
Dec 16, 2006 (7:07 am)
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Replying to: circlew (Dec 16, 2006 6:51 am)

I don't doubt that the fun factor exists in the AWD 3-er setup, and also that on a tight track AWD might beat RWD because of the ability to get on full power sooner out of a turn. My choice was based on the idea that the RWD setup will be a bit sharper, lighter, and get better MPG, and i've never had a problem getting around with snows. If i had a house on a hill in snow country, i might well choose otherwise. But it's pretty flat and plowed around here.
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Re: AWD vs. FWD on Volvo S60 [circlew] by designman
Dec 16, 2006 (7:48 am)
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Replying to: circlew (Dec 16, 2006 6:51 am)

I see some comparos with the Carrera 4 vs. 4s and others where awd actually outperforms the rwd model.
 
It’s hard to compare the Porsches with the 3-series because of the striking difference in weight balance. The 911s are tough to handle in turns as you approach the limits because of its extreme rear weight bias and the AWD mitigates this by putting weight up front. AWD will perform better in corners because of its ability to add pull through them but there is still the weight tradeoff. That extra 242 pounds in the 328i vs 328xi is a lot. The difference in the C2S vs C4S is only 121 pounds and the Porsches weigh considerably less to begin with. But remember, the thing that makes the 911 AWD so desirable to some is the “improved” weight balance and tempering of the oversteer. This is not the case with the BMWs which go from virtually neutral to front bias.
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Re: AWD vs. FWD on Volvo S60 [designman] by circlew
Dec 16, 2006 (9:49 am)
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Replying to: designman (Dec 16, 2006 7:48 am)

design,
 
you make excellent points as does shipo and habitat. I really want to test the c4s which is possibly ultimate awd at the end of the day. In March I will be all over the 335xi to see the next iteration in turbo dress.
 
Just a point, the x-drive and electronic nannys are not intrusive together in this package on the north side of rational driving. The combination really works well, IMO. Wet traction defies logic!
 
Regards,
OW
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Re: AWD vs. FWD on Volvo S60 [dhanley] by qbrozen
Dec 18, 2006 (8:04 am)
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Replying to: dhanley (Dec 15, 2006 3:06 pm)

wow. $35k. That's great. Congrats.
 
I agree about the options. When I priced one, I believe the only option I found I would really like was the cold weather and smartkey thing. Although metallic paint would probably be on there, too.

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