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Ultimate AWD Sports Sedans

828 messages,  Last post on Oct 03, 2009 at 9:40 PM

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What is this discussion about? BMW 3 Series, Audi A4, Volvo S60 R, Subaru Legacy, Audi S4, Mazda MAZDASPEED MAZDA6, Sedan


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Re: 335xi Coupe [esf] by circlew
Nov 30, 2006 (5:49 am)
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Replying to: esf (Nov 29, 2006 7:58 pm)

Good stuff, esf...I will test drive the 335xi and the A5 when they arrive.
 
I like it!
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Let's just hope by dhamilton
Dec 01, 2006 (7:38 am)
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that they still offer a stick on the new MLP cars. Do you think it will be here in 07, as an 08?
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Re: AWD vs. FWD on Volvo S60 by voxboy
Dec 03, 2006 (9:03 am)
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Replying to: circlew (Nov 27, 2006 11:20 am)

Can anyone enlighten me on this? Consumer Reports gives the Volvo S60 FWD an above-average reliability rating, while it gives the AWD model a below-average reliability rating. Logic dictates that this gap in customer satisfaction is 100% AWD-related. But is that truly the case? What sort of problems should I expect and how severe and/or frequent are the issues that arise? I need to understand if the AWD S60 is going to be a reliability headache.
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Re: AWD vs. FWD on Volvo S60 [voxboy] by themugster
Dec 03, 2006 (1:20 pm)
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Replying to: voxboy (Dec 03, 2006 9:03 am)

First I'd heard of anything like this. For what it's worth, my '04 R just turned 23K and has developed no AWD-related issues whatsoever. Of course, on the R it's standard and therefore an integral part of a pretty sophisticated performance-tuned suspension system, so I suppose it's always possible that there could be problems that arise from the bolt-on nature of AWD on the "regular" S60? Under-engineered, perhaps? Will be interested to see if anyone in this group has any experience with this.
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Re: AWD vs. FWD on Volvo S60 [voxboy] by ateixeira
Dec 04, 2006 (9:28 am)
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Replying to: voxboy (Dec 03, 2006 9:03 am)

In general I think you can count on a Volvo to be very durable, i.e. last a long time, but I think it might need more repairs than average along the way.
 
For some reason friends of mine that have had them gave them up because of little things that kept adding up, often electrical things.
 
-juice
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Re: AWD vs. FWD on Volvo S60 [ateixeira] by dhanley
Dec 14, 2006 (9:08 pm)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Dec 04, 2006 9:28 am)

Well, i just placed an order on a 335i. I'll be euro-delivering it. Thanks for all the ideas, guys!
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Re: AWD vs. FWD on Volvo S60 [dhanley] by qbrozen
Dec 15, 2006 (7:01 am)
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Replying to: dhanley (Dec 14, 2006 9:08 pm)

may i ask the details? Options? pricing? timeframe?
 
and, to keep it somewhat on topic, why did you decide on a RWD car?
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Ultimate FUTURE AWD Sports Sedan by circlew
Dec 15, 2006 (2:23 pm)
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The 335xi could be the answer to this forum...
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Re: AWD vs. FWD on Volvo S60 [qbrozen] by dhanley
Dec 15, 2006 (3:06 pm)
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Replying to: qbrozen (Dec 15, 2006 7:01 am)

Pretty basic ( for a 335i ) since most of the options i want are included ( sunroof, xenons, logic 7 sterio. ). So i just got metallic paint ( montego blue) and cold weather. I'm paying $900 over euro invoice, or $35340.
 
I went with RWD because i think you need snow tires in any case, and i feel that RWD+snows is perfectly adequate, as i'm not climbing icy mountians. IMO DSC keeps you safe, not AWD.
 
And, yes, the 335xi may qualify for this topic.
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Re: AWD vs. FWD on Volvo S60 [dhanley] by circlew
Dec 16, 2006 (6:51 am)
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Replying to: dhanley (Dec 15, 2006 3:06 pm)

Shipo and other agree with you on the ultimate sports sedan setup with RWD/SP but I beg to differ. AWD on the 3 series is quite a potent handling package and the more I test the limits and learn how to manage the setup, I feel the weight difference but disagree with view that it inhibits control. I actually think the fun factor still exists in this configuration. I would like to know more about the suspension tuning differences.
 
I would like to ask the hosts if they can add any light to possibility of a track test of the '06-'07 AWD vs. RWD 3series.
 
I see some comparos with the Carrera 4 vs. 4s and others where awd actually outperforms the rwd model.
 
Regards,
OW

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