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#350 of 828 Re: Ultimate AWD Sports Sedan [esf] by dhanley Nov 23, 2006 (12:31 pm)
Replying to: esf (Nov 22, 2006 4:09 pm) esf: probably--word is that BMW is in love with the 3.0TT and wants to put in in everything they can...   Circle: i'm less impressed by the extra 45 ponies of the 3.0T than i am by the extra 80 lb-ft of torque that peaks at 1300 RPM. I was not enamored by the current generation of BMW sixes with much less torque than HP. The turbo fixes that...   I'll probably test drive the s60R just so i don't always wonder if i could have saved a lot of money. Replies to this message: circlew (Nov 23, 2006 5:54 pm)
#351 of 828 Re: Ultimate AWD Sports Sedan [dhanley] by circlew Nov 23, 2006 (5:54 pm)
Replying to: dhanley (Nov 23, 2006 12:31 pm) dhanley,   I agree, my 255HP230ft/lb is really good enough but the turbo should be a real good upgrade to make the complete package much more impressive and satisfying.   Let us know what you think after your drive in the s60r.   Happy Thanksgiving! OW
#353 of 828 Re: Ultimate AWD Sports Sedan [circlew] by musicblue Nov 26, 2006 (10:15 pm)
Replying to: circlew (Nov 22, 2006 10:09 am) I have found that you need to take these car mag tests with a couple of grains of salt. They never report any serious conditions the car has that might be important to you. i think they are paid to write the stories by the car mfrs. I have seen them make comparisons between cars that really can't be compared because they vastly different in power and handling. this just makes the car they want to look good, look good. In other cases, the cars they use are specfically "tuned" for them so they will come out on top.   regards, musicblue
#356 of 828 Posts moved by pat HOST Nov 27, 2006 (4:09 am)
Link: musicblue, "BMW 3-Series 2006+" #6638, 26 Nov 2006 10:05 pm
#357 of 828 Re: Ultimate AWD Sports Coupe [circlew] by habitat1 Nov 27, 2006 (7:35 am)
Replying to: circlew (Nov 20, 2006 10:13 am) Not to get off track since this forum is about AWD "sedans", but I respectfully disagree with your previous claims about the Carrera 4S. Shipo pointed out the offsetting wieght gain of going to AWD.   From my personal experience, the 997 Carrerra 2S is noticably quicker than the 4S, due to the 4's added weight and less efficient AWD drive train. And, at least to the levels I was comfortable pushing it, the 2S was more nimble than the 4s on dry pavement. Even my sales manager, a former Porsche factory engineer and racing team member, claims the 2S trumps the 4S in everything other than crazy maneuvers in the rain or snow, for which he prescribes a Cayenne.   Among the Porsche purists I've met, many would prefer a lighter RWD Turbo to the standard 3,600 lb AWD version. They would still claim the king of the track is the RWD, lightweight, GT3. Replies to this message: circlew (Nov 27, 2006 8:38 am)
#358 of 828 Re: Ultimate AWD Sports Coupe [habitat1] by circlew Nov 27, 2006 (8:38 am)
Replying to: habitat1 (Nov 27, 2006 7:35 am) Habitat1,   I agree with you on the weight differential and your experience and Shipo's are correct when it comes to the RWD vs. AWD in the same model, Porsche or BMW.   But my point was that the ultimate AWD coupe could be the 4S. I was checking out the Audi RS4 also which could be the ultimate AWD sedan.   As technology keeps marching on, do not be surprised if track times start favoring the AWD concept. I like the idea of powersliding through the chicanes with the confidence all 4 wheels are helping you through!   Best Regards, OW
#359 of 828 Re: Ultimate AWD Sports Sedan [circlew] by ateixeira Nov 27, 2006 (9:07 am)
Replying to: circlew (Nov 22, 2006 10:09 am) Hee hee hee, pretty funny. The Subaru is just about the cheapest one on that list and took the others to school. Only the Mazda costs less nowadays.   I love track tests like that. All AWD models, pretty closely matched, too. Results can often surprise you.   Oh, and the funny thing is the Subaru Legacy GT spec.B got some important upgrades for 2007 - a Torsen rear differential and the 6-speed manual from the STI, both which would arguably make it quicker around that track.   -juice Replies to this message: circlew (Nov 27, 2006 11:20 am) voxboy (Dec 03, 2006 9:03 am) themugster (Dec 03, 2006 1:20 pm) ateixeira (Dec 04, 2006 9:28 am) and 8 more...

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