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#348 of 828 Re: Ultimate AWD Sports Sedan [dhanley] by esf Nov 22, 2006 (4:09 pm)
Replying to: dhanley (Nov 22, 2006 2:57 pm) Rumors have been swirling around that there will be a 335xi coupe. That would be perfect for me, as I think the 3er coupe is beautiful, but I wish I could get a twin-turbo version for my next winter car.   Is it true?   Thanks.   '06 Audi A3 2.0T DSG • '05 Audi S4 Cabriolet • '04 Lexus RX330 Replies to this message: dhanley (Nov 23, 2006 12:31 pm) circlew (Nov 23, 2006 5:54 pm)
#349 of 828 Re: Ultimate AWD Sports Sedan [dhanley] by circlew Nov 22, 2006 (6:54 pm)
Replying to: dhanley (Nov 22, 2006 2:57 pm) dhanley,   THat is a great price for 2 years old...trade in on my 330xi is $28K after 3 years. But I agree, handling on my car impressed me.   Shipo is right, because so far AWD BMW 3 does NOT have the sport suspension and I checked the 335 xi "07 and still no SP will be offered for the ultimate handling.   But for $40-45K vs $27...drive the 330xi and then the Volvo.   Handling on the 335 should be similar and with the extra 45 ponies, should be very tempting.   Regards, OW
#350 of 828 Re: Ultimate AWD Sports Sedan [esf] by dhanley Nov 23, 2006 (12:31 pm)
Replying to: esf (Nov 22, 2006 4:09 pm) esf: probably--word is that BMW is in love with the 3.0TT and wants to put in in everything they can...   Circle: i'm less impressed by the extra 45 ponies of the 3.0T than i am by the extra 80 lb-ft of torque that peaks at 1300 RPM. I was not enamored by the current generation of BMW sixes with much less torque than HP. The turbo fixes that...   I'll probably test drive the s60R just so i don't always wonder if i could have saved a lot of money. Replies to this message: circlew (Nov 23, 2006 5:54 pm)
#351 of 828 Re: Ultimate AWD Sports Sedan [dhanley] by circlew Nov 23, 2006 (5:54 pm)
Replying to: dhanley (Nov 23, 2006 12:31 pm) dhanley,   I agree, my 255HP230ft/lb is really good enough but the turbo should be a real good upgrade to make the complete package much more impressive and satisfying.   Let us know what you think after your drive in the s60r.   Happy Thanksgiving! OW
#353 of 828 Re: Ultimate AWD Sports Sedan [circlew] by musicblue Nov 26, 2006 (10:15 pm)
Replying to: circlew (Nov 22, 2006 10:09 am) I have found that you need to take these car mag tests with a couple of grains of salt. They never report any serious conditions the car has that might be important to you. i think they are paid to write the stories by the car mfrs. I have seen them make comparisons between cars that really can't be compared because they vastly different in power and handling. this just makes the car they want to look good, look good. In other cases, the cars they use are specfically "tuned" for them so they will come out on top.   regards, musicblue
#356 of 828 Posts moved by pat HOST Nov 27, 2006 (4:09 am)
Link: musicblue, "BMW 3-Series 2006+" #6638, 26 Nov 2006 10:05 pm
#357 of 828 Re: Ultimate AWD Sports Coupe [circlew] by habitat1 Nov 27, 2006 (7:35 am)
Replying to: circlew (Nov 20, 2006 10:13 am) Not to get off track since this forum is about AWD "sedans", but I respectfully disagree with your previous claims about the Carrera 4S. Shipo pointed out the offsetting wieght gain of going to AWD.   From my personal experience, the 997 Carrerra 2S is noticably quicker than the 4S, due to the 4's added weight and less efficient AWD drive train. And, at least to the levels I was comfortable pushing it, the 2S was more nimble than the 4s on dry pavement. Even my sales manager, a former Porsche factory engineer and racing team member, claims the 2S trumps the 4S in everything other than crazy maneuvers in the rain or snow, for which he prescribes a Cayenne.   Among the Porsche purists I've met, many would prefer a lighter RWD Turbo to the standard 3,600 lb AWD version. They would still claim the king of the track is the RWD, lightweight, GT3. Replies to this message: circlew (Nov 27, 2006 8:38 am)

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