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Re: Sport vs. AWD [redsoxgirl] by esf
May 20, 2006 (10:37 am)
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Replying to: redsoxgirl (May 11, 2006 1:53 pm)

If you're looking for an all-season sports car, for around $60K, my car may be for you.
 
Sure, it's not as fun as the M3 in the twisties- and you're quite a critic, as I can see. But, my convertible is far superior to the M3 in almost every respect- luxury, style (in my Sprint Blue color), off-the-line performance, easy to live with, and it's still a blast in the S-curves.
 
I think you should take a look at the Audi S4 Cabriolet. I just love the car, and do you know who Jeremy Clarkson is? The S4 is his 2nd favorite convertible (behind the new Jaguar XK, because-- well... he's British!).
 
Just a thought. Also, by the way, I did test drive the M3 Convertible before I bought the S4. With the options that my $63K S4 has, an M3 Convertible would've exceeded $70,000, a barrier that I didn't want to cross. The S4 also has a luxury-car worthy interior, a much cooler color, and the smooth grumble of a 340hp V8 under the hood.
 
'06 Audi A3 2.0T DSG • '05 Audi S4 Cabriolet • '04 Lexus RX 330
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Re: Sport vs. AWD [esf] by redsoxgirl
May 20, 2006 (11:29 am)
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Replying to: esf (May 20, 2006 10:37 am)

Thanks for the suggestion on the S4 Convertible. I test drove one at the Porsche Audi dealership and was very favorably impressed. The new S4 may not be the pure performance car that the M3 is, but it is way above the old S4 and a worthy competitor, for sure.
 
Had it not been a Porsche Audi dealership, the S4 may have been my next car. But, as I previously posted, I also test drove the new 911 S4 and was swept off my feet. Back when I leased my Boxster S, the 911 was out of my reach and I was not that impressed with the 996 model. But the new 997, especially the 355hp S version, is much improved. The 911 is a true sports car, whereas the S4 is a sports sedan, which did make me think twice about the 911 practicality. But I really don't need a back seat and I now have access to a SUV through a friend if I need one.
 
I am rethinking my decision to order a Coupe instead of a Cab.
 
Enjoy your S4. It is a very nice car.
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Re: Sport vs. AWD [redsoxgirl] by circlew
Jun 30, 2006 (4:27 am)
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Replying to: redsoxgirl (May 11, 2006 8:31 am)

I lease the 330xi SP and the x drive only helps handling IMO. I had a problem with the car in March and the loaner they gave me was a non-SP 330i and the difference was unbelievable. The Sport Package lowers the ride height and also provides carbon-steel suspension parts and it does make a difference. The x drive is designed to operate in rear-drive 99% of the time unless traction loss is detected in the from tires in the twisties. Then power is transferred appropriately. I have driven the car for 6,000 miles and it is a good blend of performance for a 4 door sedan.
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Re: Sport vs. AWD [circlew] by habitat1
Jul 12, 2006 (5:31 am)
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Replying to: circlew (Jun 30, 2006 4:27 am)

When test I drove 2004 model 330i and ix models, both with sport packages ("i" with 235 hp performance package), I noticed a considerable difference between the two. The ix was noticably heavier and had more of a "detuned" version of the sport package with smaller wheels/tires and what seemed like a softer suspension that allowed for slightly more body roll.
 
Don't get me wrong, the 2004 330ix SP was a very nice car, but at that time, had I decided to go with the 3 series for optimal perfomance and handling, I would have gone with the rear wheel drive version. I am not sure if the new 3 series puts the "ix" on a more equal level with the "i" in handling and performance. But I still think I'd be inclined to save the weight of AWD unless climate conditions mandated it.
 
I faced the same issue when I briefly considered trading my 2005 911 C2S for a 2006 model. I considered and test drove the C4S. The added weight and slightly less efficient drivetrain took quite a bit of the edge off of the nimble handling and acceleration I enjoy with the "2". I even know some much more serious Porsche enthusiasts that prefer the handling and feel of the RWD GT3 to the much heavier AWD Turbo.
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Re: Sport vs. AWD [habitat1] by circlew
Jul 13, 2006 (7:17 am)
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Replying to: habitat1 (Jul 12, 2006 5:31 am)

I agree with you on the weight differential. But I had a problem with my '06 330xi in March and needed a loaner. They gave me a 330I nonSP and it handled great but my car was vastly more nimble even with the extra weight. The SP on the the regular 330i must be similar and even beter than my car considering your point on the weight so this makes sense. Either way, these cars are a great experience for me because I always bought Amercian and the differences are tremendous. I purchased more the weather but still wanted the performance and chose the SP for additional handling and glad I did.
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Re: Sport vs. AWD [otherstonecold] by dhanley
Sep 18, 2006 (1:51 pm)
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I think the issue is that ultimate is related to more then performance. The evo is a very quick car indeed. But an AWD bmw is ahead in a lot of other areas: comfort, safety, interior quality, etc. I don't want a car if it doesn't have heated seats and is noisy/nervous on the highway.
 
Sure, get the evo if you want a track car.
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335 Xi - 2007 by circlew
Nov 18, 2006 (9:15 am)
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I look forard to the 335 version of this AWD 3 series. This could be one of the best cars around next year in AWD circles.
 
BMW 335xi sedan on sale in March
 
Posted Nov 15th 2006 3:57PM by John Neff
Filed under: Car Buying, Sedans/Saloons, Safety, BMW
 
BMW's twin-turbo, 3.0-liter inline-six is turning out to be as exciting an engine as the automaker's lauded 5.0-liter V10. Though its horsepower rating is down a couple hundie compared to the V10, the experience of dropping the hammer on a perfectly balanced inline-six that's sucking in more air than a Dyson upright is awesome (or so we've heard). The engine debuted in the 3-Series Coupe, followed by an appearance in the 3-Series Sedan, and finally we've learned when it will be taking up residence in the all-wheel drive 3-Series Sedan. The vehicle, known as the 335xi, will be available in March of 2007 according to this page on BMW's Military sales website. With 300 horsepower, all-wheel drive and BMW handling, the 335xi promises to be everything to everyone.
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Re: 335 Xi - 2007 [circlew] by shipo
Nov 18, 2006 (11:00 pm)
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Replying to: circlew (Nov 18, 2006 9:15 am)

"With 300 horsepower, all-wheel drive and BMW handling, the 335xi promises to be everything to everyone."
 
Not hardly. Even if BMW was inclined to offer a true sports suspension on their AWD models (something they've yet to do), I still would still opt for a 335i equipped with RWD over AWD.
 
Best Regards,
Shipo

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