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#282 of 828 Re: I thank you, Bons... [volvomax] by esf Apr 20, 2006 (5:55 pm)
Replying to: volvomax (Apr 20, 2006 2:01 pm) I'm sure you knew this, but Audi no longer produces the 3.0 liter engine.   It's the 3.2 FSI V6 in the A3/A4/A6/TT- and it generates 255hp.   Something a bit confusing is that the new Q7 has the 3.6 liter FSI V6 from the '06 Passat- which generates 280 horsepower. Once the A6 and A4 get updated, they will most likely gain this engine, probably with about 10 more horsepower than in the Q7/Passat. For some reason, Audi decided not to put this new V6 in the new TT, and is sticking with the wonderfully-executed 3.2, but I think the 2.0T is good enough! Replies to this message: kurtamaxxxguy (May 08, 2006 6:04 pm)
#283 of 828 VR6 by krzyss Apr 21, 2006 (10:16 am)
VR6 did not make it to previous Passat. I would be surprised if it is adopted into Audi family. VR6 seems to be used in transverse applications and V6 in longitudal (North South).   Krzys   PS I hope I got spelling correct. Replies to this message: ateixeira (Apr 24, 2006 8:13 am) esf (Apr 26, 2006 7:23 pm)
#284 of 828 Re: $35,000 Sports Sedans by tucsonbob Apr 21, 2006 (12:53 pm)
Replying to: esf (Apr 19, 2006 7:15 pm) Here is where the Volvo might fit? I don’t know if the group has discussed this but Car and Driver (October 2005) tested the S60R Volvo against the following cars.   Here is the order of finish:   BMW 330i Lexus IS350 Infiniti G35 Acura TL Audi A4 3.2 Quattro Cadillac CTS Volvo S60R AWD Saab 9-3 Aero   I guess they couldn’t get the Volvo do go faster than 0-60 in 6.4 because of the desert heat. Replies to this message: esf (Apr 23, 2006 2:05 pm) themugster (Apr 23, 2006 3:00 pm)
#285 of 828 Re: $35,000 Sports Sedans [tucsonbob] by esf Apr 23, 2006 (2:05 pm)
Replying to: tucsonbob (Apr 21, 2006 12:53 pm) It's funny you mention that- in Road & Track from March 2006, they tested these cars, and this is the order in which they ranked:   Audi A4 2.0T quattro Subaru Legacy GT 2.5 Spec_B BMW 325xi Lexus IS250 AWD Mazda Mazdaspeed 6 Infiniti G35X Volvo S40 T5 AWD   As you can see, this was purely an AWD sport sedan test. I do wonder, however, why the Jaguar X-Type and Mercedes-Benz C240 4Matic weren't in here? Maybe they are too pricey, but still...   I believe the S40 was unfairly put into this test- the S60 is more of a competitor here. The S40's main competitor is the Acura TSX, because both are oddly-positioned premium small sedans in the market, while these cars are closer to midsize.   Just a thought. Here's the link: http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=3&article_id=3280&page_number- - =1   Just to tell you, the red rocket in the main photo is the A4! It's an S-Line version, and looks incredibly good in one of the photos. The A4 line has been my favorite Audi since I first saw this article. Replies to this message: themugster (Apr 23, 2006 3:00 pm)
#286 of 828 S60-R's place in the universe... by themugster Apr 23, 2006 (3:00 pm)
Replying to: esf (Apr 23, 2006 2:05 pm) Took your advice and went to the R&T comparo from the link you posted...I agree 100% about which Volvo should have been included. Three of the top four in it priced out at over $40K, which is exactly what I paid for my semi-loaded S60R (no nav, did not upgrade the stereo). At the time I bought it, in May 2004, I was comparison shopping against BMW 5-series, Acura TL, Infiniti G35, and Audi A6...thought I got a pretty good set of bangs for my bucks.
#287 of 828 Re: VR6 [krzyss] by ateixeira Apr 24, 2006 (8:13 am)
Replying to: krzyss (Apr 21, 2006 10:16 am) Close, it's longitudinal.   The Subie top top honors when price was factored in. Not bad considering the '07 got a 6th gear ratio and a Torsen rear diff added to it. Now it might take first overall, since the Audi only won by about a point.   -juice Replies to this message: esf (Apr 26, 2006 7:23 pm)
#288 of 828 Re: VR6 [ateixeira] by esf Apr 26, 2006 (7:23 pm)
Replying to: ateixeira (Apr 24, 2006 8:13 am) Road & Track doesn't factor in the price- and I think it was nice that the Audi won.   Anyhow, all that really matters is that BMW didn't win! FINALLY!
#289 of 828 BMW xi by krzyss Apr 27, 2006 (10:24 am)
are not the most sporty ones. One cannot order sport package with them for example.   Krzys Replies to this message: esf (Apr 28, 2006 6:59 pm)
#290 of 828 Re: BMW xi [krzyss] by esf Apr 28, 2006 (6:59 pm)
Replying to: krzyss (Apr 27, 2006 10:24 am) That just proves how it's unfair to compare a FWD Audi to a RWD BMW- they're different drivetrains completely.   Once you compare them both as AWD cars, the Audi really shines. Audi has been perfecting quattro for twenty-five years, and it exposes the weaknesses in "baby" imitator AWD systems from BMW, Infiniti, Lexus and Jaguar sedans. I can't say the same thing about Mercedes-Benz's 4Matic, for it's not quite as young.   Forever will Audi be different from the other two Germans, and I don't think either of those will ever offer an AWD convertible, coupe or supercar.   I am not, however, saying that Audi is necessarily better- it depends on the owner. Of course, Audi is better for me, and I've loved the three that I've owned (each for over a year, but I have an A3 beside my S4 Cabriolet that I've owned for five months).   Mercedes interior quality is laugheably inferior to the S4's (or even A3's)- I rented a CLK500 on a trip to Los Angeles, and though the car was impressive, it didn't have quite the same teutonic feel from the inside. BMW interior quality is good, but design and ergonomics are a far cry. However, I have considered buying a car from either company for my wife.   As you can see, my mind is open to almost all luxury manufacturers- and they're all good in a different way, except Lincoln. Buick and Cadillac topple Lincoln in terms of cars-per-retired-square-mile, and Cadillac makes a better sports sedan.
#291 of 828 $35K Comparison by bullardohio May 05, 2006 (6:20 am)
Was looking at AWD sedan in the $30-35K, specifically Mazdaspeed6, Passat 4motion, & G35x. Anyone seen a comparison of these 3? Also, any other AWD sedans in that price range? And yes, I did look at the STI & Evo, & they're fast & handle great, but don't have the amenities (options) I want. By the way, current car is a 330xi, & I'd consider another one, but looking at cost savings.

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