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What is this discussion about? BMW 3 Series, Audi A4, Volvo S60 R, Subaru Legacy, Audi S4, Mazda MAZDASPEED MAZDA6, Sedan


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spec.B by ateixeira
Apr 19, 2006 (10:08 am)
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Gets even better for 07, 6 speed manual confirmed, plus a Torsen rear diff, memory seats, black/blue seats that look nicer, and some new colors.
 
That vehicle took a close 2nd in an R&T comparo, 1st when price was factored in, and these updates only make it better. It already had the quickest lap times and acceleration/top speed in that comparo.
 
-juice
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Re: I thank you, Bons... [themugster] by esf
Apr 19, 2006 (7:15 pm)
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Replying to: themugster (Apr 09, 2006 1:39 pm)

The S60R is a wonderful value- I'm just a bit confused about what class it's in exactly.
 
I have an S4 (Cabriolet) myself, and the S4 (and C55, M3) seems to be just a touch more extravagant (no offense!). It has the usual gorgeous Audi interior, 40 more horses, and it's about $10K more expensive on average dealer cars. The S60R is definitely above the G35/TL, and I can't pinpoint exactly where it is.
 
Maybe it's in a class of its own? I think the S4 sedan is its closest competitor, but there's nothing direct...
 
 
 
'06 Audi A3 2.0T FronTrak • '05 Audi S4 Cabriolet • '04 Lexus RX330 AWD
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Re: I thank you, Bons... [esf] by volvomax
Apr 20, 2006 (2:01 pm)
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Replying to: esf (Apr 19, 2006 7:15 pm)

The R is an in between car.
It doesn't have the punch, or pricetag of the M3 or S4.
But it is nicer than the 330ix or G35 AWD or A4 3.0
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Re: I thank you, Bons... [volvomax] by esf
Apr 20, 2006 (5:55 pm)
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Replying to: volvomax (Apr 20, 2006 2:01 pm)

I'm sure you knew this, but Audi no longer produces the 3.0 liter engine.
 
It's the 3.2 FSI V6 in the A3/A4/A6/TT- and it generates 255hp.
 
Something a bit confusing is that the new Q7 has the 3.6 liter FSI V6 from the '06 Passat- which generates 280 horsepower. Once the A6 and A4 get updated, they will most likely gain this engine, probably with about 10 more horsepower than in the Q7/Passat. For some reason, Audi decided not to put this new V6 in the new TT, and is sticking with the wonderfully-executed 3.2, but I think the 2.0T is good enough!
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VR6 by krzyss
Apr 21, 2006 (10:16 am)
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VR6 did not make it to previous Passat. I would be surprised if it is adopted into Audi family.
VR6 seems to be used in transverse applications and V6 in longitudal (North South).
 
Krzys
 
PS I hope I got spelling correct.
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Re: $35,000 Sports Sedans by tucsonbob
Apr 21, 2006 (12:53 pm)
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Replying to: esf (Apr 19, 2006 7:15 pm)

Here is where the Volvo might fit? I don’t know if the group has discussed this but Car and Driver (October 2005) tested the S60R Volvo against the following cars.
 
Here is the order of finish:
 
BMW 330i
Lexus IS350
Infiniti G35
Acura TL
Audi A4 3.2 Quattro
Cadillac CTS
Volvo S60R AWD
Saab 9-3 Aero
 
I guess they couldn’t get the Volvo do go faster than 0-60 in 6.4 because of the desert heat.
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Re: $35,000 Sports Sedans [tucsonbob] by esf
Apr 23, 2006 (2:05 pm)
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Replying to: tucsonbob (Apr 21, 2006 12:53 pm)

It's funny you mention that- in Road & Track from March 2006, they tested these cars, and this is the order in which they ranked:
 
Audi A4 2.0T quattro
Subaru Legacy GT 2.5 Spec_B
BMW 325xi
Lexus IS250 AWD
Mazda Mazdaspeed 6
Infiniti G35X
Volvo S40 T5 AWD
 
As you can see, this was purely an AWD sport sedan test. I do wonder, however, why the Jaguar X-Type and Mercedes-Benz C240 4Matic weren't in here? Maybe they are too pricey, but still...
 
I believe the S40 was unfairly put into this test- the S60 is more of a competitor here. The S40's main competitor is the Acura TSX, because both are oddly-positioned premium small sedans in the market, while these cars are closer to midsize.
 
Just a thought. Here's the link: http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=3&article_id=3280&page_number- - =1
 
Just to tell you, the red rocket in the main photo is the A4! It's an S-Line version, and looks incredibly good in one of the photos. The A4 line has been my favorite Audi since I first saw this article.
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S60-R's place in the universe... by themugster
Apr 23, 2006 (3:00 pm)
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Replying to: esf (Apr 23, 2006 2:05 pm)

Took your advice and went to the R&T comparo from the link you posted...I agree 100% about which Volvo should have been included. Three of the top four in it priced out at over $40K, which is exactly what I paid for my semi-loaded S60R (no nav, did not upgrade the stereo). At the time I bought it, in May 2004, I was comparison shopping against BMW 5-series, Acura TL, Infiniti G35, and Audi A6...thought I got a pretty good set of bangs for my bucks.
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Re: VR6 [krzyss] by ateixeira
Apr 24, 2006 (8:13 am)
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Replying to: krzyss (Apr 21, 2006 10:16 am)

Close, it's longitudinal.
 
The Subie top top honors when price was factored in. Not bad considering the '07 got a 6th gear ratio and a Torsen rear diff added to it. Now it might take first overall, since the Audi only won by about a point.
 
-juice
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Re: VR6 [ateixeira] by esf
Apr 26, 2006 (7:23 pm)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Apr 24, 2006 8:13 am)

Road & Track doesn't factor in the price- and I think it was nice that the Audi won.
 
Anyhow, all that really matters is that BMW didn't win! FINALLY!
 
 

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