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#268 of 828 Re: AWD's Mysterious capability. . .saving fuel?!? [markcincinnati] by dhanley Apr 04, 2006 (11:35 am)
Replying to: markcincinnati (Mar 15, 2006 2:06 pm) "It has been so long since I had a 2WD car I can't recall if I, personally, would ever claim that an AWD car that one can actually purchase when compared with it's fraternal twin 2WD version saves fuel."   No need to strain your memory mark. You can look up EPA numbers online, including audi's.   "I can imagine many reasons why my production Audi A6 quattro gets a mile or two lower mileage than an otherwise identical 2WD version would get."   Otherwise identical? That would be interesting in regards to your point.   I know you're a huge fan of AWD, but, c'mon. If AWD got better fuel economy--it would get better fuel economy. It doesn't.   As for the verisimilitude of the study, some time with google turned up only this forum.   dave Replies to this message: tradscott (Apr 18, 2006 12:04 pm)
#269 of 828 Re: to me [dhamilton] by esf Apr 05, 2006 (7:19 pm)
Replying to: dhamilton (Apr 02, 2006 11:48 am) The new A4 won't be coming out for two years or so- it was just refreshed in the middle of last year.   However, unlike Mercedes-Benz which puts the AMG model out simultaneously with the intro of a new model; Audi usually gets the S4 out about a year to two years later.   (Think: BMW)   I think it's kind of stupid that Audi is only selling the RS4 Cabriolet in Europe. I understand the Avant, but possible CLK55/CLK63/M3 Convertible owners would take a hard look at the Cabriolet. I'm sure it would have handsome sales in cities like Los Angeles, and European citizens aren't exactly in the mood for a horsepower war this year.   Of course, we always are.
#270 of 828 wierd by dhamilton Apr 05, 2006 (7:49 pm)
cause I think autospies has photos of the new body style and says it will be out in 07. I realize that wouldn't make sense with the refresh just recent. I wonder if the new body style will show up at the New York show? Replies to this message: esf (Apr 07, 2006 3:08 pm)
#271 of 828 Re: wierd [dhamilton] by esf Apr 07, 2006 (3:08 pm)
Replying to: dhamilton (Apr 05, 2006 7:49 pm) NO... it definitely will not be at the NY show.   Here're the Audis that will:   A4 2.0T/3.2 Cabrolet; S4 Cabriolet (new styling)   TT Coupe (I saw the pics released- looks awesome)   A4 won't be at an auto show until next year... at the earliest. I have a feeling they'll show the 2009 or 2010 A8 next year or the year after that too.
#272 of 828 Swedes Supercars!!! by bons Apr 09, 2006 (8:07 am)
Their names aren't familiar yet but the Swedes are producing the hottest supercars in the world. The Koenigsegg CCR now holds world record top speed 241+ mph (beating out McLaren). . . Both Saab and Volvo lend their hands in the making of the record breaking supercar. With the arrival of these supercars, owning a Swede car suddenly becomes a hot commodity. Beside the safety conscious crowds, people buying Volvo today are the youngs and fashionably sensitive.    http://www.koenigsegg.com/    Another impressive manufacturer of supercar coming out of Sweden    http://www.bebi.se/ Replies to this message: themugster (Apr 09, 2006 1:39 pm) esf (Apr 19, 2006 7:15 pm) volvomax (Apr 20, 2006 2:01 pm) and 2 more... tucsonbob (Apr 21, 2006 12:53 pm) and 2 more... ateixeira (Apr 10, 2006 7:51 am)
#273 of 828 I thank you, Bons... by themugster Apr 09, 2006 (1:39 pm)
Replying to: bons (Apr 09, 2006 8:07 am) ...for that gracious and unsolicited compliment! And my AWD Volvo S60 R thanks you also. "Safety fast!" Tom Replies to this message: esf (Apr 19, 2006 7:15 pm) volvomax (Apr 20, 2006 2:01 pm) esf (Apr 20, 2006 5:55 pm) and 1 more... tucsonbob (Apr 21, 2006 12:53 pm) esf (Apr 23, 2006 2:05 pm) and 1 more...
#274 of 828 Re: Swedes Supercars!!! [bons] by ateixeira Apr 10, 2006 (7:51 am)
Replying to: bons (Apr 09, 2006 8:07 am) It's only a matter of time before Bugatti steals that crown...or have they already?   Plus, what does a million dollar exotic have to do with a pedestrian Volvo?   -juice
#275 of 828 Re: AWD's Mysterious capability. . .saving fuel?!? [dhanley] by tradscott Apr 18, 2006 (12:04 pm)
Replying to: dhanley (Apr 04, 2006 11:35 am) It is an interesting observation that four driven tires exhibit slightly less rolling resistance than two driven tires plus two passive load bearing tires, but is at most a curiosity since there is no such thing even close to an "efficient" drivetrain.
#276 of 828 Why I went back to Audi from Volvo by tucsonbob Apr 18, 2006 (3:26 pm)
I drove the S60R less than year ago after test driving the M3 and S4. After driving all three cars, I paid 36k for a 05 S60R that listed for 45k. The most "bang for the buck" decision. This car is stunning with the car kit but painful to drive because the front scrapes often simply entering gas stations or any sharply angled driveway. The turning radius of this car is laughable. You would think the car is 2x as big as it is really. Where this car really shines is on the freeway. It is fast, comfortable, and great in a straight line. However, if you like to drive through the twisty roads, FORGET THIS CAR. At any 90 angle the Pirellis will hit the inside of the wheel well. I don't find this acceptable in any car, let alone a 45K car. Try and make a U-turn without his happening? Forget it. I took the car to the Volvo dealer and was shown Ford/Volvo put a plate where the tire rubs against the wheel well. Therefore, Ford/Volvo is aware of the problem and have decided to band aid the problem rather than properly engineer the car. If you think about this, this is not SAFE and a lawsuit waiting to happen. I was told my only other option was to install spacers which would make the turning radius worse. Do Not Buy this car and reward childlike engineering. I recently traded in the car for a S4 and couldn't be happier. If the Germans are too pricey, check out the Subaru Legacy Spec B. My 2 cents.
#277 of 828 Hmmm by dhanley Apr 19, 2006 (7:41 am)
I admit, i still have the s60R on my list as a bang-for-the-buck wildcard. But rubbing tires on the wheelwell is simply not acceptable. Would it be possible to switch to slightly narrower tires/rims?   How do you like the s4? Replies to this message: tucsonbob (Apr 19, 2006 9:55 am)

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