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#261 of 828
S4 as winter car by ateixeira
Mar 10, 2006 (9:44 am)
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You might say it has too much power. I'd get a winter beater too, if I had one.
 
-juice
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Re: AWD's Mysterious capability. . .saving fuel?!? [dhanley] by markcincinnati
Mar 15, 2006 (2:06 pm)
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Replying to: dhanley (Mar 08, 2006 5:14 pm)

It has been so long since I had a 2WD car I can't recall if I, personally, would ever claim that an AWD car that one can actually purchase when compared with it's fraternal twin 2WD version saves fuel.
 
The point of my summary of someone else's findings was to present some findings that while perhaps specious may actually be factually based rather than "made up."
 
"This means that given an “efficient” transmission, it is revealed that an AWD drive-line, in addition to all its other [performance] advantages, can save fuel.
  
Moreover, this fuel saving advantage actually increases with the power transmitted."
 

 
There are data that support the preceding. The info to most of us would be darn near arcane. And, despite its apparent veracity, I am not in a position to even be interested in fully attempting a full-blown "Myth-busters" on it.
 
A college professor I had, as if that makes much difference these days, said "you need to make certain what you are reading (and writing) has the requisite verisimilitude" for you and from you.
 
I was probably 19 and had little idea what verisimilitude meant -- so, being the dutiful and well-trained son of a librarian, I looked the word up and I can conclude that the stuff written (and summarized by yours truly) seems to represent and contain the "requisite verisimilitude."
 
I can imagine many reasons why my production Audi A6 quattro gets a mile or two lower mileage than an otherwise identical 2WD version would get. This does not mean, however, that I think Piech's (or whoever's) "discovery" of the potential for improved economy is bogus.
 
You, after all, may be right -- but just because something seems to be counter-intuitive, doesn't mean that it is inaccurate.
 
I am not suggesting a lengthy Thesis Defense is needed. If you find it is bogus, and want to dispute it, that is OK with me.
 
At this point, even if the study were false, I find many more compelling reasons for the widespread adoption of AWD than reasons to the contrary.
 
 
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Am I Alone? by esf
Mar 30, 2006 (9:29 pm)
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Seriously! Not one person has posted here in fifteen days!
 
IT'S BEEN TWO WEEKS, AND I CAN'T THINK OF SOMETHING TO SAY!
 
 
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NY Auto Show by ateixeira
Mar 31, 2006 (7:14 am)
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I'll bite.
 
Infiniti is supposed to debut a new G35 at NY. I wonder if the AWD model will now come with a manual trans?
 
The S4 convertible and the Concept X (EVO) will be there too.
 
-juice
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Re: Am I Alone? [esf] by markcincinnati
Mar 31, 2006 (12:12 pm)
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Replying to: esf (Mar 30, 2006 9:29 pm)

You are not alone.
 
I'll get my Lucy Sign that says, alternately, "Lemonade 5 cents" and "Psychiatrist 5 cents."
 
Thirsty? Or want to discuss something?
 
It's your nickel.
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Re: NY Auto Show [ateixeira] by esf
Apr 01, 2006 (2:54 pm)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Mar 31, 2006 7:14 am)

I'd be very surprised to see the new G35 at NY...
 
...People said the new TT was supposed to be at Geneva, and of course it wasn't.
 
My only concerns with the G:
 
Interior
Refinement
Lack of a real performance model (G45-i? "i" would be a trendy name for a performance model, plus it's the first letter of "Infiniti")
 
I have an S4 Cabriolet, so I'd be happy to see the new one, but I live in Chicago... I've seen pics of the new one- looks like a less-subtle version of mine, with that grille. I give it a 9 out of 10- fix the rear lights! Mine are perfect! (or at least give it the stepped-light treatment like on the sedan)
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to me by dhamilton
Apr 02, 2006 (11:48 am)
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the problem with the current G35 IMO is that the power band is so high in the rev's it feels like you have to stick your foot through the floor to get it to move. The Nissan 350 has a much better map in the software for torque. If they could change this in the G37 I think it would be a much "sportier" car. I guess displacement is up some in the new model as well.
 I read somewhere a complete redesign for the A4 is coming soon. {2007} Will the S4 come out immediately as well?
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Re: AWD's Mysterious capability. . .saving fuel?!? [markcincinnati] by dhanley
Apr 04, 2006 (11:35 am)
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Replying to: markcincinnati (Mar 15, 2006 2:06 pm)

"It has been so long since I had a 2WD car I can't recall if I, personally, would ever claim that an AWD car that one can actually purchase when compared with it's fraternal twin 2WD version saves fuel."
 
No need to strain your memory mark. You can look up EPA numbers online, including audi's.
 
"I can imagine many reasons why my production Audi A6 quattro gets a mile or two lower mileage than an otherwise identical 2WD version would get."
 
Otherwise identical? That would be interesting in regards to your point.
 
I know you're a huge fan of AWD, but, c'mon. If AWD got better fuel economy--it would get better fuel economy. It doesn't.
 
As for the verisimilitude of the study, some time with google turned up only this forum.
 
dave
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Re: to me [dhamilton] by esf
Apr 05, 2006 (7:19 pm)
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Replying to: dhamilton (Apr 02, 2006 11:48 am)

The new A4 won't be coming out for two years or so- it was just refreshed in the middle of last year.
 
However, unlike Mercedes-Benz which puts the AMG model out simultaneously with the intro of a new model; Audi usually gets the S4 out about a year to two years later.
 
(Think: BMW)
 
I think it's kind of stupid that Audi is only selling the RS4 Cabriolet in Europe. I understand the Avant, but possible CLK55/CLK63/M3 Convertible owners would take a hard look at the Cabriolet. I'm sure it would have handsome sales in cities like Los Angeles, and European citizens aren't exactly in the mood for a horsepower war this year.
 
Of course, we always are.
 
 
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wierd by dhamilton
Apr 05, 2006 (7:49 pm)
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cause I think autospies has photos of the new body style and says it will be out in 07. I realize that wouldn't make sense with the refresh just recent. I wonder if the new body style will show up at the New York show?

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