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What is this discussion about? BMW 3 Series, Audi A4, Volvo S60 R, Subaru Legacy, Audi S4, Mazda MAZDASPEED MAZDA6, Sedan


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Re: Thank you [esf] by potemkin
Feb 20, 2006 (4:25 pm)
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Replying to: esf (Feb 19, 2006 2:57 pm)

Steptronic is a registered trade name for BMW's automatic transmission. Sloptronic is an intentionally derogatory misspelling of "steptronic".
 
I like Lexus. I liked the IS300 enough that I almost bought one. I like the IS250 and wouldn't have a problem owning one. The IS350 (like all cars without an available stick shift) is dead to me. In fact, "Cars without an available manual transmission" are at the very top of my "Dead to me" list.
 
Last year these forums went 'round and 'round with the G35 aficionados insisting that 0-60 was the entire extent of performance measurement and that made the G35 the new benchmark in performance sedans. Now we're doing it all again.
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Re: Thank you [potemkin] by mnrep2
Feb 20, 2006 (4:52 pm)
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Replying to: potemkin (Feb 20, 2006 4:25 pm)

Not all G35 aficionados are that concerned with 0-60 only I happened to like the awd of the X variety, and the bang for the buck that Infiniti offered over BMW.
 
On the hilly icy roads I drive in winter, the advantages of awd trumped my/your concerns for a manual transmission.
 
In 12k miles of ownership I have been mighty pleased with the Infiniti. Haven't had to visit the dealer yet. The car has been "all that" at least for me...
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Re: Thank you [mnrep2] by potemkin
Feb 20, 2006 (5:01 pm)
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Replying to: mnrep2 (Feb 20, 2006 4:52 pm)

The G35 was the other car I was looking at buying. Very pretty from the back and sides. Though, I guess I'm too old to enjoy driving a car that goes "bang".
 
What? Can't get a G35 with AWD and manual transmission? Bummer. Guess that's to be expected from a car company that spell its own name.
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Re: Thank you [mnrep2] by esf
Feb 22, 2006 (3:39 pm)
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Replying to: mnrep2 (Feb 20, 2006 4:52 pm)

Actually, I realized this last year.
 
The G35 really doesn't have much bang-for-the-buck over the 330. Its price only undercuts it by about $2,000, which makes it seem almost overpriced because of its poor build quality.
 
I'm not saying the 330 has a nice interior, though .
 
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Re: Thank you [esf] by mnrep2
Feb 22, 2006 (5:16 pm)
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Replying to: esf (Feb 22, 2006 3:39 pm)

The G35 really doesn't have much bang-for-the-buck over the 330. Its price only undercuts it by about $2,000, which makes it seem almost overpriced because of its poor build quality.
 
BMW 330xi edmunds tmv price $37,274
 
G35X edmunds tmv price $33,250
If you look at edmumds true cost to own over 5 years they show the G35x to have another $8,000.00 in saving over the 330xi.
 
Your math is bad but your comments are compelling
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Re: Thank you [mnrep2] by esf
Feb 22, 2006 (8:38 pm)
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Replying to: mnrep2 (Feb 22, 2006 5:16 pm)

I didn't specify that the G35X was less, mnre. The normal G35 is only $2-$3K less than a comparably equipped 330i.
 
Edmunds "True Cost To Own," and their True Market Value pricing, are not always valid. I've seen cars $2500 over invoice on TMV there, and it was only about $600 over at the dealer.
 
 
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New RS4 Variants by esf
Feb 22, 2006 (8:46 pm)
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Just in from a few exclusive gossip websites...
 
Audi has released teaser photos of the new RS4 Avant and RS4 CABRIOLET, to be released at Geneva.
 
The Cabriolet, which has the updated body, is strikingly beautiful in the one photo I saw. It has the 420hp engine, gets 0-60 in 4.8 seconds, and should be in the mid-70s, making it a steal next to the Mercedes-Benz CLK55 AMG convertible.
 
I was drooling- and this is from an S4 Cabriolet owner. If I play my cards right and can afford one by 2008, it's on the top of my list!!!
 
 
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Re: New RS4 Variants [esf] by tcinoc
Feb 23, 2006 (12:48 am)
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Replying to: esf (Feb 22, 2006 8:46 pm)

Ummm I seriously doubt it's going to be in the mid-70s for the cabriolet model considering the regular RS4 sedan will be in that price range. I also don't think it's going to be running 4.8 0-60 considering the additional weight gain over the sedan.
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Re: Thank you [esf] by bdr127
Feb 23, 2006 (7:51 am)
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Replying to: esf (Feb 22, 2006 8:38 pm)

Edmunds "True Cost To Own," and their True Market Value pricing, are not always valid. I've seen cars $2500 over invoice on TMV there, and it was only about $600 over at the dealer.
 
I've also seen some True Cost To Own listings were it looks like the car must be really loaded up (i.e. $4-5k over MSRP), yet another car listed below MSRP.... not exact an apples-to-apples comparison.

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