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Replying to: ateixeira (Jan 31, 2005 7:51 am) If this same car was purchased earlier in the model year, the MSRP would have been approaching 34k. Current ride is an '01 A4 1.8T Quattro. I shopped the Legacy GT - thought it was a fine car, but couldn't get past the fuel economy. |
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That's almost 40% more displacement, no way around using more fuel. -juice
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Replying to: ateixeira (Feb 01, 2005 8:30 am) I'm well aware of the difference in displacement, power, etc between the GT & the A4. Just explaining one of the factors that lead to my decision and the fact that the SE's represent a good value (My '05 and '01 purchase prices are within $500). I also own an '03 Baja and am aware of the performance of the N/A 2.5l engine, which is not enough for me personally. When I finally sat down and weighed all costs, along with the intangiables - the A4 was the answer for me (For the 3rd time '98/'01/'05). Now if I was in a mode where I was purchasing simply based on performance/price ratio, I would likely purchase a GT. nw2k5 |
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Great value, actually. That's significantly less money given it's so well equipped. You and a lot of folks think Subaru should have an engine inbetween the 165hp and 250hp choices available now. That gap is huge! -juice
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Replying to: ateixeira (Feb 01, 2005 9:42 am) But my feeling is that its more than a sheer numbers game, since the 1.8T has but 4HP more, but has a nice flat torque curve from around 1800RPM on up. While it's far from being the quickest around, it's fun to drive and has a sporty "feel" to it. The Subaru base 2.5l reminds a bit of the old "Iron Duke" 2.5l I had in my Jeep Comanche pickup. The engine's personality is definately not what I would consider sporty. nw2k5 |
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Subaru has an AVCS version of that engine in Japan, peak HP is only slightly higher but the torque curve is better. I think either a bump in base HP to 175-180 or so, or at least a 210hp intermediate engine option (2.5T from the Forester XT and Baja), would be a good idea. Problem is it might sacrifice sales of the more profitable GT. Subaru hit a record for sales in 2004, Legacy in particular had a great year. -juice |
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I have to say I really like the performance of my Audi - its '04 1.8T Qautrro with a 6-spd - I have the prem pkg and 17" wheels - while I may lose here and there on the straight ways I make up for it on the curves and also I drive very sprited and get 24.5 MPG and that is driving in Atlanta traffic. I know subbies very well and they just don't have the fit and finish of the Audi.
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Try the '05 and later Legacy models, they got a lot nicer. I have an '02 and there's no comparison. Audis are very nice inside, tho. -juice |
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Replying to: jplyman (Feb 02, 2005 8:46 am) I'm taking delivery of A4 #3 today. I previously owned a '98 and an '01, both were 1.8T quattros with premium & sport packages. The roads in MI suck, so this one is without sport suspension. IMO the handling of the '05 w/o SS is pretty good compared to the '01 and earlier models w/o SS. Just need to do something about the wheel gap though. |
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A few years back, I had a '99 Legacy and my father had a '98 A4 Quattro. I think both were great cars and both have come a long way since. I miss my Legacy since getting rid of it. I did feel that the interior fit and finish was superior on the Audi, but my Legacy was far more reliable. My dad would have spent thousands on repairs were it not for the warranty, and I think he even sent the Audi service dept. a Christmas card one year. I didn't even know who the Subaru service manager was. As far as snow performance, I think whoever raised the issue of ground clearance has a very valid point. I felt the Subaru was better in the snow as I found out having to drive down the street in 6" of snow to help dad dig out the Audi. If memory serves, the Audi was lower with performance tires, which improved handling, but sacrificed bad weather performance. IMHO, I do not think you can go wrong with either one and realize they are VERY different cars now. I feel that Subaru has improved considerbly and closed the gap with the new generation Legacy. If I had to do it tomorrow, I would take the '05 Legacy GT in a heartbeat and put the 5K-10K saved toward early retirement. Happy driving! |
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