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828 messages, Last post on Oct 03, 2009 at 9:40 PM
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I have an '03 Outback with 50k miles on it. My old car was a '95 jetta. I considered an A4, and while I know the A4 may be more refined and cool, I really appreciate the value of my Subie. It was much much cheaper to buy and servicing the car has been much cheaper than my VW was--I'm sure it would be even worse for an Audi. It's the same dealer, so I don't know why they'd rip off their VW customers over their Subaru buyers. Also I get 25mpg even though I drive, umm, fast. Either way you decide to go, AWD is the greatest thing ever... especially with the massive quantities of wet snow I have to drive through in the mountains here outside Seattle.
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Replying to: erikn206 (Jan 28, 2005 12:41 am) |
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Base prices are good, but options are kinda pricey, that's what gets them up there in price. A4 starts at just $26,520, but add Quattro and a few options and you're well into the $30s. Watch the options sheet and I think you can get a pretty good value. -juice
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Replying to: ateixeira (Jan 31, 2005 7:51 am) If this same car was purchased earlier in the model year, the MSRP would have been approaching 34k. Current ride is an '01 A4 1.8T Quattro. I shopped the Legacy GT - thought it was a fine car, but couldn't get past the fuel economy. |
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That's almost 40% more displacement, no way around using more fuel. -juice
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Replying to: ateixeira (Feb 01, 2005 8:30 am) I'm well aware of the difference in displacement, power, etc between the GT & the A4. Just explaining one of the factors that lead to my decision and the fact that the SE's represent a good value (My '05 and '01 purchase prices are within $500). I also own an '03 Baja and am aware of the performance of the N/A 2.5l engine, which is not enough for me personally. When I finally sat down and weighed all costs, along with the intangiables - the A4 was the answer for me (For the 3rd time '98/'01/'05). Now if I was in a mode where I was purchasing simply based on performance/price ratio, I would likely purchase a GT. nw2k5 |
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Great value, actually. That's significantly less money given it's so well equipped. You and a lot of folks think Subaru should have an engine inbetween the 165hp and 250hp choices available now. That gap is huge! -juice
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Replying to: ateixeira (Feb 01, 2005 9:42 am) But my feeling is that its more than a sheer numbers game, since the 1.8T has but 4HP more, but has a nice flat torque curve from around 1800RPM on up. While it's far from being the quickest around, it's fun to drive and has a sporty "feel" to it. The Subaru base 2.5l reminds a bit of the old "Iron Duke" 2.5l I had in my Jeep Comanche pickup. The engine's personality is definately not what I would consider sporty. nw2k5 |
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Subaru has an AVCS version of that engine in Japan, peak HP is only slightly higher but the torque curve is better. I think either a bump in base HP to 175-180 or so, or at least a 210hp intermediate engine option (2.5T from the Forester XT and Baja), would be a good idea. Problem is it might sacrifice sales of the more profitable GT. Subaru hit a record for sales in 2004, Legacy in particular had a great year. -juice |
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I have to say I really like the performance of my Audi - its '04 1.8T Qautrro with a 6-spd - I have the prem pkg and 17" wheels - while I may lose here and there on the straight ways I make up for it on the curves and also I drive very sprited and get 24.5 MPG and that is driving in Atlanta traffic. I know subbies very well and they just don't have the fit and finish of the Audi.
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