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#11 of 828 by ateixeira Jan 10, 2005 (12:19 pm)
I'd give credit to Subaru for implementing 4WD on a car platform first, and to Audi for AWD.   Subarus came earlier but they had traditional center locking differential-style 4WD, low range even. They jacked up the suspension and even added skid plates. The world's truly first sport utility wagon was the 1973 Subaru Leone 4WD.   Audi pioneered AWD (as opposed to 4WD), though, with a center differential that allowed full-time use of the system even on non-slippery surfaces.   The reality is that both have extensive AWD experience and offer some of the best systems in the world at any price.   Nav is rumored as an option for the GT this year, and I'd expect at least 3-4 additional features in the 2006 Subaru. But if you must have the goodies, Audi offers those for a bit more money. Only you can decide if they're worth it to you.   -juice
#12 of 828 by kevin111 Jan 11, 2005 (10:53 am)
"Consumer Reports recently put the Audi A4 on its list of most reliable cars, so their surveys apparently don't agree with this impression. "   - Good to hear the Audi is making strides. The previous year's CR report on the A4 was below average reliability. Also, many of Audi's other cars are below average in reliability. I am hoping Audi is making strides in improving their whole line. Considering that I have seen a couple of new S4s (did not have a license plat yet) with rear break lights and other lights out (as well as exhaust tail pipes bouncing around). I am still curious about this.
#13 of 828 Subaru is the Japanesse version of Audi by jplyman Jan 12, 2005 (8:51 am)
If you really think about it these to car companies are more a like than most - they are known as non-comformist cars and not the popular car from there country. When you drive one of these cars you also make a statment. I've grown up on Subarus (my dad owns part of dealership) and my first new car was a subbie.. Great car no complaints.... I now drive an A4 and there is a difference in how it feels and I love the looks - subbie is becoming some what more comformist - baiscally it comes down to personal tatse I like rings over the stars and that is me.   You won't go wrong with either car. Replies to this message: knr5 (Jan 12, 2005 10:32 pm)
#14 of 828 Re: Subaru is the Japanesse version of Audi [jplyman] by knr5 Jan 12, 2005 (10:32 pm)
Replying to: jplyman (Jan 12, 2005 8:51 am) I agree with your comments in general. While the similarity between Audi and Subaru stems from AWD, there are other parallels also that we could draw. I felt (some 10 years ago) that Subaru and Saabs were alike in that both were iconoclastic. How was I to know that they would both become more mainstream, and seem to be morphing into one as we speak! I also saw parallels between the German and Japanese marques that may not be as true today. I saw Toyota as being modeled after Mercedes (Solidity), Nissan & Mazda after BMW (Performance), and Honda after Audi (Form follows Function). Some of it was design and some of it was related to the character of the car. Again, just my 2c!
#15 of 828 by ateixeira Jan 13, 2005 (5:57 am)
Subaru has characteristics of Audi (AWD), Porsche (boxer engines), and Saab (general quirkiness).   But not the repair bills.   -juice
#16 of 828 That 44K... by byronwalter Jan 13, 2005 (2:03 pm)
...for an S4 sounds like an excellent deal. My A4 goes in for scheduled servicing in about 6 weeks. If there are any 44k S4's sitting around the lot, I might just see if I could do a deal. The current B6 S4 is one of the nicest rides on the road.   As far as the new Subie's go, the new GT is very nice indeed and I bet that the '06 sees a jump in hp, which will put the squeeze (however slightly) on BMW & Audi.   My Audi has been excellent ('02 Avant) but I bet that, say, six or seven years down the road that Subie will be costing less to maintain.
#17 of 828 BMW xi vs. Quattro by gordonwd Jan 14, 2005 (5:56 am)
My previous car was an A4 1.8T Quattro. I currently drive a 325i mainly because I wanted a BMW and thought that the AWD system in the 325xi had more drawbacks for me than advantages over RWD. This might change in the next-gen AWD that BMW offers on the new 3-series. Actually, if BMW offered the 325i with Audi's Quattro system then I might have gone that route, but for now the E46 3-series is much more suited to its traditional RWD setup.   By the way, I live in SE Michigan where we do get snow in the winter, but generally not the blowouts that you'd get out in the Great Plains states or the mountains, where AWD is much more of a real necessity. So far I'm doing fine with the RWD on the standard all-season tires. The DSC/DTC helps a lot in this regard, and if I start having any problems a set of full snow tires would probably take care of it. Replies to this message: shakaeagle (Dec 26, 2005 5:04 am)
#18 of 828 Re: The Audi Dilemma [knr5] by brianc6796 Jan 22, 2005 (3:40 pm)
Replying to: knr5 (Dec 13, 2004 1:40 am) The other issue with the new Audi is that the new 6 cylinder is at first only coming out with an automatic transmission. The manual will only be available on the 4 cyclinder and the S4. What a bummer.
#19 of 828 by ateixeira Jan 24, 2005 (7:42 am)
The 2.0T is supposedly much improved. I'd like to sample one soon.   -juice
#20 of 828 Subaru Value by erikn206 Jan 28, 2005 (12:41 am)
I have an '03 Outback with 50k miles on it. My old car was a '95 jetta. I considered an A4, and while I know the A4 may be more refined and cool, I really appreciate the value of my Subie. It was much much cheaper to buy and servicing the car has been much cheaper than my VW was--I'm sure it would be even worse for an Audi. It's the same dealer, so I don't know why they'd rip off their VW customers over their Subaru buyers. Also I get 25mpg even though I drive, umm, fast. Either way you decide to go, AWD is the greatest thing ever... especially with the massive quantities of wet snow I have to drive through in the mountains here outside Seattle. Replies to this message: jplyman (Jan 29, 2005 6:50 am)

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