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#51 of 3321 Do you mean by callmedrfill Feb 05, 2005 (5:22 am)
LS460, LS460 LWB    LS450h, LS450h LWB    LS500, LS500 LWB      I can't see that happening, a one model, one trim lineup becoming a family of six in one generation.      Why make three engines? Why make a 4.5 and 4.6? Why not a hybrid 4.6?        Lexus is way too efficient to make two seperate engines so close in size for the same car.      DrFill
#52 of 3321 Excellent Point by k_mitsui Feb 05, 2005 (6:36 am)
What I am talking about is only some speculation of the car currently flowing around the Japanese Automotive forum. Nothing that I or any of my friends back in Japan have confirm such information so far about the engine displacement. But we are very certain as state in the last post that just like the Mercedes S-Class there would be a stretch wheel base version for the future LS model unless if they change their mind at last moment. Your point does made sense in terms of to make one the 4.6 liter in Gaslionie and a hybrid using the 4.6 liter as well since it's the most cost efficient way to do. I also hear there's a couple of Japanese people raise the similar concern too back in the Japanese forum and I hope there would be some answers available may-be next or so Hope this would help Ken Replies to this message: chris65amg (Feb 05, 2005 8:14 am) syswei (Feb 05, 2005 10:00 am)
#53 of 3321 Re: Excellent Point [k_mitsui] by chris65amg Feb 05, 2005 (8:14 am)
Replying to: k_mitsui (Feb 05, 2005 6:36 am) Wow it did. A strech LS? You can bet that the 4.6L will be one helluva lot more powerful than the 4.3.... but here's the problem. If it becomes less of a rolling cloud, it will lose a large hunk of its fan base. You know, people who like to sleep while riding. Or read, or don't want to be rattled like peas in a pod. A 5.0 engine scares me slightly, because it sounds like a jab at the S55AMG, but you can bet it'll be cheaper.   I love the Lexus hybrid idea because so many rich and famous people want these hybrids, and they have to make do with a Prius to get a full hybrid. (Or a Ford Escape, but it's too normal looking)   The Accord hybrid looks like a regualr Accord, and they sell so many that it is very ordinary. Ditto the Civic. The Insight is too weird. Lexus comes in with   a) luxury. Cloud-like b) a hint of sport (LS500??) c) long wheelbase (kind of like an Arnage, eh?) d) HYBRID=STYLE   Add to that the expected GS hybrid, and Lexus has a very stylish portfolio. Now if only they would fix the ES330.... and the IS....   A ri ga to u go za i ma su   Err... my Japanese sucks.
#54 of 3321 k_mitsui by syswei Feb 05, 2005 (10:00 am)
Replying to: k_mitsui (Feb 05, 2005 6:36 am) If Lexus follows the naming convention used with the RX400h, might not an LS450h have a less-than-4.5L gasoline engine? For instance might it have a 3.5L gas engine coupled with the hybrid elements to give 4.5L-like performance?
#55 of 3321 If I were them by callmedrfill Feb 05, 2005 (12:22 pm)
I'd make the LS460 SWB ($64,995)      Den, the LS500 LWB. ($79,995)      Then the LS460h LWB. ($84,995)      That's it.      DrFill
#56 of 3321 Thanks, Ken by oac Feb 05, 2005 (4:04 pm)
For the interpretation of the link, and the tidbits from the japanese Automotive Forum. Like syswei said, pls keep us updated on whatever else you find out about the Lexus releases. Surely appreciated.   I am looking forward to the LS460, which I can speculate to be in the 340bhp-ish range. The 5L GT has been said to be the V12-like performer but with a V6 fuel economy, at ~500bhp total output. That should do well going against the S600. But I don't see a direct competitor against the S500. Would that be the LS460 LWB, or the LS500 SWB ?
#57 of 3321 Re: Possible pic of next LS? [dc661] by designman Feb 05, 2005 (4:25 pm)
Replying to: dc661 (Jan 28, 2005 9:56 am) Yeah, that's a Photoshop SKETCH from someone with a sense of refinement. If the next LS looks something like that I'd buy it on the spot. Expect the same BS direction that BMW and Mercedes are pursuing. Replies to this message: oac (Feb 05, 2005 5:06 pm)
#58 of 3321 Re: Possible pic of next LS? [designman] by oac Feb 05, 2005 (5:06 pm)
Replying to: designman (Feb 05, 2005 4:25 pm) Designman: we have you on record now ! The next LS will be close to that sketch. How do I know ? Cos Lexus execs have been saying how much evolutionary the new LS will be, as it did in 1989. Now, I am hoping its not just BS from Denny and his cohorts....   BUT, if the new LS is anything close to that picture, the Germans will have a lot to worry about.
#59 of 3321 by k_mitsui Feb 05, 2005 (8:07 pm)
I do apologize my slow reply due to timezone difference between Japan and America and I am amazed the amount of since I left the forum by last night!!! Since some of the problems people posted in this forum are very interesting and I might not be able to answer all of them since my knowledge in some areas about the LS are quite limited. So instead I have translated and forwarded your messages to Yomiuri and Carmode automotive forum, where some of our best experts regarding this topic would assess and respond in Japanese to all your concerns as soon as they respond all the remaining post left in the forum. Nevertheless, I am also trying to get an access to the recent carmode magazine that was published on Jan 28, which has a coverage for the LS500 sedan both the traditional and GT version. Because this issue has being out of stock a day after it’s release, many of us have to wait a week or two to get a copy directly from the publisher and hopefully my copy by tomorrow morning as they promise me in the e-mail. Please note that you might need to enlarge and focus it on your computer and youu would see the LS500 was marked in red ink on the coverpage Note: Because of issue of copyright, the name it L500 used in the publication is actually to LS 500, hope you will understand Here's the link: which lead you to the cover page of the issue: http://www.carmode.net/carmode/eshop/magazine/car/ct/cartop.html Okay I have to go for lunch right now, and hope to see you all soon! Ken Replies to this message: ljflx (Feb 07, 2005 10:45 am) doctordata (Jan 23, 2006 9:00 am)
#60 of 3321 Re: [k_mitsui] by ljflx Feb 07, 2005 (10:45 am)
Replying to: k_mitsui (Feb 05, 2005 8:07 pm) Thanks for your insights. I'm curious as to how hot Lexus is becoming in Japan and Asia vs. the other luxury nameplates. Also what happens to Toyota's version of the current LS430 (Celsior, I believe) during the transition period when the Lexus brand comes to market.   The news I had heard on the LS was that the short wheel base car would be the LS450 (now it seems LS460) and it would have a hybrid option and an LS500 would be the long wheel base car and with it comes a hybrid version that competes with MB's S600 (this is the car OAC was referring to with fabulous HP and mileage). I didn't know how they would offer their tuned car versions of any of these though. Replies to this message: doctordata (Jan 23, 2006 9:00 am)

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