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Re: 2007 LS prices [ljflx] by idele
Jul 28, 2005 (3:57 am)
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Replying to: ljflx (Jul 27, 2005 7:04 pm)

I used 112 yen to the dollar; the current exchange rate on Bloomberg is 112.4. The price quoted of 10 million yen might include the Japanese 5% sales tax. In any case, the top end will challenge MB, BMW and Audi and, in my opinion, will be superior. I'm enormously pleased with my Lexus hybrid and plan to purchase only hybrids. I vastly prefer a sedan and expect to get an LS hybrid when my 2 year single pay lease is up.
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HP ratings by mikegiller
Aug 01, 2005 (7:13 pm)
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Does anyone have some new information? This LS forum is dying
 
SAE horsepower for the 2006 LS 430 is 278 HP which is the same as 290 HP. From this we can get that the old system (DIN ?) has a 4.32% increase over SAE. Since the IS 350 is rated with SAE HP, using the 4.32% advantage the old system has over the new SAE, we get:
 
IS 350: 319 HP (USA) - SAE: 306
           323 HP (CAN) - SAE: 310
IS 250: 213 HP (USA) - SAE: 204
           210 HP (CAN) - SAE: 201
 
So, in the States, it turns out that the HP didn't go down at all on the IS 250... it remains the same, relatively. The only difference is the torque; that went down.
 
Lexus is getting modest with their numbers.
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Re: HP ratings [mikegiller] by oac
Aug 02, 2005 (3:49 pm)
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Replying to: mikegiller (Aug 01, 2005 7:13 pm)

Mike:
 
Do you think Lexus applied the SAE to the 3L 245HP output in the 2006 GS300 ? I'd think not, so why apply it to the new IS twins ? For marketing sake, especially in HP-hungry NA market, I would have liked to see the IS350 come in at 320HP and the IS250 at 215HP. That would really give Lexus a HUGE advantage to its competition, just on the face of it.
 
BTW, the LS460 is projected to have a 350HP, hopefully that is SAE-based rating.
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Re: HP ratings [mikegiller] by lexusguy
Aug 02, 2005 (4:27 pm)
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Replying to: mikegiller (Aug 01, 2005 7:13 pm)

Lexus has always been relatively modest with its numbers. The LS is faster than its 290hp (now 278) would suggest.
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Because... by mikegiller
Aug 02, 2005 (7:33 pm)
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Replying to: oac (Aug 02, 2005 3:49 pm)

... ...Lexus already stated that the new IS is rated in SAE output.
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opportunity to ask questions of Lexus chief engineer by syswei
Aug 06, 2005 (8:30 am)
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http://asklexus.caranddriver.com/
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New 4.6L engine thoughts.... by pearl
Aug 07, 2005 (12:13 pm)
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as usual, Lexus has made little known about the upcoming 4.6L V8; however, we should expect that, beyond expanding displacement from 4.3 to 4.6L, they will at least add the technologies found on the new 3.5L V6: continuously variable valve timing on both the intake and exhaust cams (as opposed to only the intake cam on the 4.3), some sort of variable intake air management to permit maximum air flow at high rpm and a more focused flow at lower rpms (Mercedes uses a "tumble flap" design on their 3.5L V6), possibly some form of direct fuel injection (which could also permit a higher compression ratio). Coupled with the increased displacement, such an engine should easily produce 350hp or more, plus lower emissions and probably increased fuel economy. If Lexus further enhances their automatic transmission, perhaps by adding a seventh gear, then even with increased overall vehicle weight, we could be looking at a faster, more economical car, with lower emissions. I hope we hear something on this engine fairly soon. It has mostly gotten lost in the shuffle with the anticipation of the LS600h, but in my opinion, the 460 may be the 'best of the best".
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Re: New 4.6L engine thoughts.... [pearl] by lexusguy
Aug 07, 2005 (12:33 pm)
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Replying to: pearl (Aug 07, 2005 12:13 pm)

Thats basically what I'm expecting with the new motor. I'm pretty sure its a completely new V8, and not a bump like the 4.0 to 4.3. The LS460 should have at least 7 forward speeds.
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Re: New 4.6L engine thoughts.... [lexusguy] by oac
Aug 07, 2005 (9:33 pm)
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Replying to: lexusguy (Aug 07, 2005 12:33 pm)

Agree. Speculation has the 4.6L at ~350 HP and about same in torque. Kevin already speculated a 7-speed tranny, but who knows... may be that is scheduled for the 600H and not the base LS460. Even with a carry-over 6-speed to the '07 release, and with increased weight, the car should do the low-to-mid-5s 0-60. That is plenty speedy for all but the most power hungry buyers. And that's what the LS600H will satisfy - speed and economy (mpg).
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Re: New 4.6L engine thoughts.... [oac] by lexusguy
Aug 10, 2005 (5:03 am)
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Replying to: oac (Aug 07, 2005 9:33 pm)

Based on reaction to the RX400h, I think the LS600 should do well. The one area where I think Lexus made a mistake was deciding to make the GS450 RWD. If they instead made it AWD (with electric motors driving the fronts instead of the rears as in the RX400), there would not be such an overlap with the GS460, and it would also give them a car to compete with the A6 4.2 and E500 4matic, something nobody else has.

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