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#491 of 3321 LS Minority by edspider1 Jul 25, 2005 (10:57 am)
You'll all say I'm nuts, but I'd like to see something like an LS 350H. Rather than the "power of a V12 in a V8", give me 350HP in a gas/hybrid. I would rather have a small V8 with Hybrid getting 40mpg rather than a 600HP getting 25mpg. It's not that I'm a penny pinching tree hugger. It's just that I like Lexus for comfort - not acceleration. I expect gas to be around $4/gallon during the 3 years of owning a 07 LS. I don't like the idea of spending an extra $2000 for gas over the 3 year lease just to go faster when there is an opening in traffic. Replies to this message: lexusguy (Jul 25, 2005 6:34 pm) oac (Jul 25, 2005 7:07 pm) lexusguy (Jul 26, 2005 3:14 pm)
#492 of 3321 Re: 8 speed is slated for the V12 [syswei] by nissman Jul 25, 2005 (11:57 am)
Replying to: syswei (Jul 23, 2005 3:09 pm) "pretty vague in some respects"   Thanks syswei. I thought I'd check the tranny details to see if it was a 7-speed or a CVT, but it seems we know more about the LS600H than the GS450H. Strange in some ways.
#493 of 3321 Re: LS Minority [edspider1] by lexusguy Jul 25, 2005 (6:34 pm)
Replying to: edspider1 (Jul 25, 2005 10:57 am) Nothing the size and weight of a Lexus LS can get 40mpg, not in the real world. The GS450h will use a 3.5L V6 and electic motors for "V8" power. I'd say best case scenario for that car would be 35mpg, only driving in the city and using a feather light touch on the gas pedal. Hybrids are not miracle workers.
#494 of 3321 Re: LS Minority [edspider1] by oac Jul 25, 2005 (7:07 pm)
Replying to: edspider1 (Jul 25, 2005 10:57 am) Nothing truly wrong with that suggestion, except that it moves the LS further down market to the Bimmer 5/E350 level. This level is occupied by the GS twins, so the LS needs to remain up-market and even super-size the level a little. If the LS is to remain as the Lexus flagship car, then it needs to carry a torch to the very highest of the market, so as to pull up the others. The 2007 LS starts that upward migration. It is not to strange that indeed, we know more about the LS600H than we do about the GS450H.   But on a more rhetorical point: Who needs a 450HP LS600H on freeways set to 70mph ? That's why I am leaning towards the base LS460 with 350HP. That should be plenty for me already. My current 290HP LS400 is equally plenty in acceleration and passing power. Replies to this message: lexusguy (Jul 26, 2005 3:14 pm)
#495 of 3321 Re: LS Minority [oac] by lexusguy Jul 26, 2005 (3:14 pm)
Replying to: oac (Jul 25, 2005 7:07 pm) There's also a minimum amount of power and acceleration that buyers in this market are willing to accept in the full size lux class. For example, everyone is questioning MB for bringing back a V6 to the S class. Jaguar says they are working on a diesel XJ... that will need 8 seconds+ to hit 60mph. I just dont see anybody in America buying that. Not necessarily because its diesel, but because thats just too slow.
#496 of 3321 2007 LS prices by idele Jul 27, 2005 (4:56 pm)
From Nikkei news: "Toyota Motor Corp. (7203) plans to roll out next summer the top-end model of its Lexus brand, the LS, with a price tag of more than 10 million yen, The Nihon Keizai Shimbun learned Wednesday. " At the current exchange rate the top end model in dollars is $89285. Replies to this message: ljflx (Jul 27, 2005 7:04 pm) idele (Jul 28, 2005 3:57 am)
#497 of 3321 Re: 2007 LS prices [idele] by ljflx Jul 27, 2005 (7:04 pm)
Replying to: idele (Jul 27, 2005 4:56 pm) They use 105 yen to the dollar for the US as their pricing mechanism. There budgets etc are based on that - for this year at least - as they've said that in past public financial disclosures. Replies to this message: idele (Jul 28, 2005 3:57 am)
#498 of 3321 Re: 2007 LS prices [ljflx] by idele Jul 28, 2005 (3:57 am)
Replying to: ljflx (Jul 27, 2005 7:04 pm) I used 112 yen to the dollar; the current exchange rate on Bloomberg is 112.4. The price quoted of 10 million yen might include the Japanese 5% sales tax. In any case, the top end will challenge MB, BMW and Audi and, in my opinion, will be superior. I'm enormously pleased with my Lexus hybrid and plan to purchase only hybrids. I vastly prefer a sedan and expect to get an LS hybrid when my 2 year single pay lease is up.
#499 of 3321 HP ratings by mikegiller Aug 01, 2005 (7:13 pm)
Does anyone have some new information? This LS forum is dying   SAE horsepower for the 2006 LS 430 is 278 HP which is the same as 290 HP. From this we can get that the old system (DIN ?) has a 4.32% increase over SAE. Since the IS 350 is rated with SAE HP, using the 4.32% advantage the old system has over the new SAE, we get:   IS 350: 319 HP (USA) - SAE: 306            323 HP (CAN) - SAE: 310 IS 250: 213 HP (USA) - SAE: 204            210 HP (CAN) - SAE: 201   So, in the States, it turns out that the HP didn't go down at all on the IS 250... it remains the same, relatively. The only difference is the torque; that went down.   Lexus is getting modest with their numbers. Replies to this message: oac (Aug 02, 2005 3:49 pm) mikegiller (Aug 02, 2005 7:33 pm) lexusguy (Aug 02, 2005 4:27 pm)
#500 of 3321 Re: HP ratings [mikegiller] by oac Aug 02, 2005 (3:49 pm)
Replying to: mikegiller (Aug 01, 2005 7:13 pm) Mike:   Do you think Lexus applied the SAE to the 3L 245HP output in the 2006 GS300 ? I'd think not, so why apply it to the new IS twins ? For marketing sake, especially in HP-hungry NA market, I would have liked to see the IS350 come in at 320HP and the IS250 at 215HP. That would really give Lexus a HUGE advantage to its competition, just on the face of it.   BTW, the LS460 is projected to have a 350HP, hopefully that is SAE-based rating. Replies to this message: mikegiller (Aug 02, 2005 7:33 pm)

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