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#486 of 3321 Re: 8 speed is slated for the V12 [ljflx] by oac Jul 23, 2005 (11:51 am)
Replying to: ljflx (Jul 16, 2005 9:16 am) I'm still wondering if Car and Driver has it right with the LS460 debut as sping 2006. Do we really have a new LS in 9 months??   Much as I am inclined to disagree with C&D on their 2007 LS release timeline, I am looking at the 2006 GS and 2006 IS releases as proof that this may indeed be the case.   For the 2006 GS twins, Lexus disclosed the designs in the summer of 2004, and about 9 months later, it hit dealership floors in March of 2005. The 2006 IS design was first disclosed in January 2005, and is expected to hit dealership showrooms in October; also nine months after release. So why won't the LS go the same route ? Besides, it gives the competition less time to counter whatever Lexus does with this new car, and will fit in the plan for an 18-month refresh cycle (Mar '05 --> Sep '06) for the new GS with the swap of the GS430 for GS460 (and also for the GS300 --> GS350) by Fall of 2006 as MY2007 releases.   That's what my tea leaves sayz..... Replies to this message: nissman (Jul 23, 2005 1:10 pm) syswei (Jul 23, 2005 3:09 pm) mikegiller (Jul 23, 2005 4:59 pm) nissman (Jul 25, 2005 11:57 am) mfpr (Jul 23, 2005 1:59 pm)
#487 of 3321 Re: 8 speed is slated for the V12 [oac] by nissman Jul 23, 2005 (1:10 pm)
Replying to: oac (Jul 23, 2005 11:51 am) Do we really have a new LS in 9 months??   I thought it was the GS 450H that was due out in 9 months. Thought I'd have a look for the specs and can't find any. Anyone? Replies to this message: syswei (Jul 23, 2005 3:09 pm) mikegiller (Jul 23, 2005 4:59 pm) nissman (Jul 25, 2005 11:57 am)
#488 of 3321 Re: 8 speed is slated for the V12 [oac] by mfpr Jul 23, 2005 (1:59 pm)
Replying to: oac (Jul 23, 2005 11:51 am) I believe the '07 ES350 is due to be released in the Spring of '06 and the '07 LS460 in the Fall.
#489 of 3321 Re: 8 speed is slated for the V12 [nissman] by syswei Jul 23, 2005 (3:09 pm)
Replying to: nissman (Jul 23, 2005 1:10 pm) GS450h specs so far...pretty vague in some respects:   http://pressroom.toyota.com/photo_library/display_release.html?id=20050323d Replies to this message: mikegiller (Jul 23, 2005 4:59 pm) nissman (Jul 25, 2005 11:57 am)
#490 of 3321 Re: 8 speed is slated for the V12 [syswei] by mikegiller Jul 23, 2005 (4:59 pm)
Replying to: syswei (Jul 23, 2005 3:09 pm) Keep in mind, those "specs" were released exactly 4 months ago, around the time of the showing of the car.
#491 of 3321 LS Minority by edspider1 Jul 25, 2005 (10:57 am)
You'll all say I'm nuts, but I'd like to see something like an LS 350H. Rather than the "power of a V12 in a V8", give me 350HP in a gas/hybrid. I would rather have a small V8 with Hybrid getting 40mpg rather than a 600HP getting 25mpg. It's not that I'm a penny pinching tree hugger. It's just that I like Lexus for comfort - not acceleration. I expect gas to be around $4/gallon during the 3 years of owning a 07 LS. I don't like the idea of spending an extra $2000 for gas over the 3 year lease just to go faster when there is an opening in traffic. Replies to this message: lexusguy (Jul 25, 2005 6:34 pm) oac (Jul 25, 2005 7:07 pm) lexusguy (Jul 26, 2005 3:14 pm)
#492 of 3321 Re: 8 speed is slated for the V12 [syswei] by nissman Jul 25, 2005 (11:57 am)
Replying to: syswei (Jul 23, 2005 3:09 pm) "pretty vague in some respects"   Thanks syswei. I thought I'd check the tranny details to see if it was a 7-speed or a CVT, but it seems we know more about the LS600H than the GS450H. Strange in some ways.
#493 of 3321 Re: LS Minority [edspider1] by lexusguy Jul 25, 2005 (6:34 pm)
Replying to: edspider1 (Jul 25, 2005 10:57 am) Nothing the size and weight of a Lexus LS can get 40mpg, not in the real world. The GS450h will use a 3.5L V6 and electic motors for "V8" power. I'd say best case scenario for that car would be 35mpg, only driving in the city and using a feather light touch on the gas pedal. Hybrids are not miracle workers.
#494 of 3321 Re: LS Minority [edspider1] by oac Jul 25, 2005 (7:07 pm)
Replying to: edspider1 (Jul 25, 2005 10:57 am) Nothing truly wrong with that suggestion, except that it moves the LS further down market to the Bimmer 5/E350 level. This level is occupied by the GS twins, so the LS needs to remain up-market and even super-size the level a little. If the LS is to remain as the Lexus flagship car, then it needs to carry a torch to the very highest of the market, so as to pull up the others. The 2007 LS starts that upward migration. It is not to strange that indeed, we know more about the LS600H than we do about the GS450H.   But on a more rhetorical point: Who needs a 450HP LS600H on freeways set to 70mph ? That's why I am leaning towards the base LS460 with 350HP. That should be plenty for me already. My current 290HP LS400 is equally plenty in acceleration and passing power. Replies to this message: lexusguy (Jul 26, 2005 3:14 pm)
#495 of 3321 Re: LS Minority [oac] by lexusguy Jul 26, 2005 (3:14 pm)
Replying to: oac (Jul 25, 2005 7:07 pm) There's also a minimum amount of power and acceleration that buyers in this market are willing to accept in the full size lux class. For example, everyone is questioning MB for bringing back a V6 to the S class. Jaguar says they are working on a diesel XJ... that will need 8 seconds+ to hit 60mph. I just dont see anybody in America buying that. Not necessarily because its diesel, but because thats just too slow.

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