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#474 of 3321 8 speed is slated for the V12 by ljflx Jul 16, 2005 (9:16 am)
More LS tidbits, this one from Motor Trend :   Lexus is developing an 8-speed transmission for the 2009 LSS, the V12 stretched version of the next gen LS.   Well it seems Lexus is going that three model route, LS460, LS600H and LSS in this new generation car and with tuning options on top of that. It's what I've heard for awhile now and each new level will have rapidly increasing power plants. But this opens the door for a flood of questions. Is the stretched car only available with the V12 engine? I doubt it. It was supposed to be available in the mid level car and standard on the high-end car. Next question - Why buy a V12 when you get V12 power with V6 economy in the V8 600H? The only answer I can think of is that this LSS is their super $105-115K+ car and maybe it will be a V12 hybrid breaking newer ground still. I'll bet this LSS is the 600HP car that my dealer told me they were coming to market with. It drew a lot of disbelief here but if the 600h gets high 4's to 500 then the next level up will have to go another 100HP or more higher. Supposedly this new LSS begins production in early 2008 so it is probably an April 2008 debut as a 2009 model.   I'm still wondering if Car and Driver has it right with the LS460 debut as sping 2006. Do we really have a new LS in 9 months?? Replies to this message: idele (Jul 17, 2005 3:23 am) ljflx (Jul 17, 2005 10:30 am) mikegiller (Jul 17, 2005 11:12 am) idele (Jul 17, 2005 5:52 pm) syswei (Jul 17, 2005 7:25 am) oac (Jul 23, 2005 11:51 am) nissman (Jul 23, 2005 1:10 pm) syswei (Jul 23, 2005 3:09 pm) and 2 more... mfpr (Jul 23, 2005 1:59 pm)
#475 of 3321 Re: 8-speed [nissman] by nvbanker Jul 16, 2005 (1:27 pm)
Replying to: nissman (Jul 14, 2005 4:11 am) "A web search seems to show them working on a full-toroidal IVT with a company called Torotrak - smaller, very fuel efficient and with geared neutral (neat)."   That's it, nissman - I was a little foggy, it's been a while. I don't know when they'll get it out, but they think they can get a ton of mileage from an Expedition with this tranny, according to my friend. That's what I was referring to, please excuse my error. Replies to this message: jack27 (Jul 19, 2005 1:09 pm)
#476 of 3321 Re: 8 speed is slated for the V12 [ljflx] by idele Jul 17, 2005 (3:23 am)
Replying to: ljflx (Jul 16, 2005 9:16 am) The Toyota top limousine is the Century with a V12 engine, a distinct traditional design and a rather staid car. I would guess that just as the Celsior (equivalent to LS) disappears from the Toyota stable, to become the new LS in the Lexus stable, the top of the line Century will also disappear from the Toyota stable, to become the Lexus LSS. Given my experience with my 12 day old RX400H I will purchase only hybrid cars in the future. I am hoping that the LS600H is, and I believe it will be, the production version of the LF-S shown Los Angeles earlier this year. Replies to this message: ljflx (Jul 17, 2005 10:30 am) mikegiller (Jul 17, 2005 11:12 am) idele (Jul 17, 2005 5:52 pm)
#477 of 3321 Re: 8 speed is slated for the V12 [ljflx] by syswei Jul 17, 2005 (7:25 am)
Replying to: ljflx (Jul 16, 2005 9:16 am) Thanks for that info, I don't get MT. This is the first indication I think we've had that the 2007 cars might not have a LWB option.   My bet is that the 2007 comes in the fall not spring of 06.
#478 of 3321 syswei by lexusguy Jul 17, 2005 (9:00 am)
Yeah thats what Im thinking too. September or October. Replies to this message: ljflx (Jul 17, 2005 11:31 am)
#479 of 3321 Re: 8 speed is slated for the V12 [idele] by ljflx Jul 17, 2005 (10:30 am)
Replying to: idele (Jul 17, 2005 3:23 am) It's very clear in the brief that the LSS is a stretched version of the next gen LS and not the Century, which is a totally different car. The Century is hardly a car that Lexus would come out with in the middle of an image change. If the Century ever makes it here, which is a close to zero chance, it won't wear a Lexus badge. Stories of a stretched LS have been carried for a long time now and Lexus almost put one out in 2001.
#480 of 3321 Re: 8 speed is slated for the V12 [idele] by mikegiller Jul 17, 2005 (11:12 am)
Replying to: idele (Jul 17, 2005 3:23 am) The Century will not disappear from the Toyota stable since Kevin is currently working on the new V12, and the design for that car. It will be newly designed for 2007/8 still as the Toyota Century. What indication do you have that the Century Limousine will become the performance super LS? Replies to this message: idele (Jul 17, 2005 5:52 pm)
#481 of 3321 Re: syswei [lexusguy] by ljflx Jul 17, 2005 (11:31 am)
Replying to: lexusguy (Jul 17, 2005 9:00 am) I was thinking that too and was surprised to see C&D note a spring 2006 debut. But business wise it may be smart to hit the S-class head-on. That is not a potent looking new S-class either. I'd say it's quite vulnerable. I guess we'll get the real details at the Tokyo auto show.
#482 of 3321 ljflx by lexusguy Jul 17, 2005 (12:42 pm)
"That is not a potent looking new S-class either"   No, it isnt. Its a baby Maybach with a cut-and-paste BMW 7 interior. If I were BMW, I'd either be very flattered, or angry.
#483 of 3321 It isn't by chris65amg Jul 17, 2005 (1:21 pm)
The S600 and higher trim levels are a sitting duck, as is the 760iL. The XJ extended length one (is it Vanden Plas?) may also suffer. Come to think of it, I think they all would if a super LS stretched came out.

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