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#467 of 3321 Re: Kevin [syswei] by oac Jul 15, 2005 (5:34 pm)
Replying to: syswei (Jul 15, 2005 5:18 pm) syswei: "But the IS and GS, given their more sporty orientation, could use it."   You are too nice to put it so mildly. Instead of "could use it", I'd say "NEEDS IT". Lexus should stop playing cop-and-robber. They either want to provide a sporty car, or want to provide a luxury car ? The LS is plenty luxurious for those inclined for such, the IS should be the complete opposite - plenty sporty, without any need for an intrusive nanny. Imagine the build quality, refinement and luxury features of an IS combined with the edgy performance of a WRX/STi or Evo in the 2006 IS350? That car will rock the world of the e90/G/Audi and re-define the sector... Suffice to say, that it'd be a winner anyday.... Why-o-why won't Lexus take their foot off the *safety-at-all-cost* for the IS and let this car be a true sport-biased luxury sedan as everyone wants it to be ???? I'll repeat myself here: LEXUS, are you listening ????? Replies to this message: syswei (Jul 15, 2005 5:50 pm) vatvatsetho (Jul 15, 2005 9:41 pm)
#468 of 3321 Re: Kevin [oac] by syswei Jul 15, 2005 (5:50 pm)
Replying to: oac (Jul 15, 2005 5:34 pm) Agreed. It is especially true with the IS that Lexus should go "all the way" with sport, because it is similar in price to the ES, so the ES can serve the cushy-ride type of buyer.
#469 of 3321 Re: 8-speed [vatvatsetho] by rcf8000 Jul 15, 2005 (6:54 pm)
Replying to: vatvatsetho (Jul 15, 2005 9:52 am) Before Lexus goes to 8 speeds, I'd like to see them properly program the 6 speed. It is way too anxious to upshift and way too reluctant to downshift. I am very disappointed in it.
#470 of 3321 Re: Kevin [oac] by vatvatsetho Jul 15, 2005 (9:41 pm)
Replying to: oac (Jul 15, 2005 5:34 pm) AMEN!!!!! basically every other luxury nameplate that has, a safety system... has an override option; or isnt has 'parenting' as the Lexus systems. The last GS had this option, but it wouldn't fully turn off. why oh why cant lexus listen to its customers, and just have an 'off' switch.
#471 of 3321 Lexus LS by jchan2 Jul 16, 2005 (3:47 am)
Does anybody have anything new to add?
#473 of 3321 Re: 8-speed [vatvatsetho] by nissman Jul 16, 2005 (4:45 am)
Replying to: vatvatsetho (Jul 15, 2005 9:52 am) "I also have my doubts on the CVT on the 460 and the GT versions. However it is very much possible that the 600h will have a CVT, considering that 400h has a CVT. And because that will probably reduce the quality of the ride, the 8-speed tranny, that would be a very busy shifter. I am thinking either a revised version of the 6-speed the LS has now, or a new 7-speed. "    I was following the 8-speed debate because according to clublexus it has an 8-speed:-    LS460: Development code name: 070X Production code name: 250L Length: 5,100mm (vs. 5,025mm of LS430) Width: 1,850mm (vs. 1,830mm of LS430) Height: 1,480mm (vs. 1,490mm/1,470mm (air suspension) of LS430) Wheelbase: 2,980mm (vs. 2,925mm of LS430) Engine: 4UZ-FSE 4.6L V-8 (vs......well we all know) Horsepower: 350hp 6,000rpm (vs. 290hp 5,600rpm) Torque: 48.0kgm 3,300rpm (vs. 42.5kgm of LS430) Transmission: 8-speed automatic (!!) Fuel efficiency average: 9.5km/l (=22.35mpg, vs. 18/25mpg of LS430)    Maybe Kevin can add a comment, and tidy up the 8-speed question. I'm going to guess the LS600H 7-speed is the same as the one announced for the GS450H, I don't think it is CVT based though, which is odd as all the other Toyota hybrid trannies are CVT based.
#474 of 3321 8 speed is slated for the V12 by ljflx Jul 16, 2005 (9:16 am)
More LS tidbits, this one from Motor Trend :   Lexus is developing an 8-speed transmission for the 2009 LSS, the V12 stretched version of the next gen LS.   Well it seems Lexus is going that three model route, LS460, LS600H and LSS in this new generation car and with tuning options on top of that. It's what I've heard for awhile now and each new level will have rapidly increasing power plants. But this opens the door for a flood of questions. Is the stretched car only available with the V12 engine? I doubt it. It was supposed to be available in the mid level car and standard on the high-end car. Next question - Why buy a V12 when you get V12 power with V6 economy in the V8 600H? The only answer I can think of is that this LSS is their super $105-115K+ car and maybe it will be a V12 hybrid breaking newer ground still. I'll bet this LSS is the 600HP car that my dealer told me they were coming to market with. It drew a lot of disbelief here but if the 600h gets high 4's to 500 then the next level up will have to go another 100HP or more higher. Supposedly this new LSS begins production in early 2008 so it is probably an April 2008 debut as a 2009 model.   I'm still wondering if Car and Driver has it right with the LS460 debut as sping 2006. Do we really have a new LS in 9 months?? Replies to this message: idele (Jul 17, 2005 3:23 am) ljflx (Jul 17, 2005 10:30 am) mikegiller (Jul 17, 2005 11:12 am) idele (Jul 17, 2005 5:52 pm) syswei (Jul 17, 2005 7:25 am) oac (Jul 23, 2005 11:51 am) nissman (Jul 23, 2005 1:10 pm) syswei (Jul 23, 2005 3:09 pm) and 2 more... mfpr (Jul 23, 2005 1:59 pm)
#475 of 3321 Re: 8-speed [nissman] by nvbanker Jul 16, 2005 (1:27 pm)
Replying to: nissman (Jul 14, 2005 4:11 am) "A web search seems to show them working on a full-toroidal IVT with a company called Torotrak - smaller, very fuel efficient and with geared neutral (neat)."   That's it, nissman - I was a little foggy, it's been a while. I don't know when they'll get it out, but they think they can get a ton of mileage from an Expedition with this tranny, according to my friend. That's what I was referring to, please excuse my error. Replies to this message: jack27 (Jul 19, 2005 1:09 pm)
#476 of 3321 Re: 8 speed is slated for the V12 [ljflx] by idele Jul 17, 2005 (3:23 am)
Replying to: ljflx (Jul 16, 2005 9:16 am) The Toyota top limousine is the Century with a V12 engine, a distinct traditional design and a rather staid car. I would guess that just as the Celsior (equivalent to LS) disappears from the Toyota stable, to become the new LS in the Lexus stable, the top of the line Century will also disappear from the Toyota stable, to become the Lexus LSS. Given my experience with my 12 day old RX400H I will purchase only hybrid cars in the future. I am hoping that the LS600H is, and I believe it will be, the production version of the LF-S shown Los Angeles earlier this year. Replies to this message: ljflx (Jul 17, 2005 10:30 am) mikegiller (Jul 17, 2005 11:12 am) idele (Jul 17, 2005 5:52 pm)

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