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#464 of 3321 Re: 8-speed [nvbanker] by nissman Jul 14, 2005 (4:11 am)
Replying to: nvbanker (Jul 10, 2005 3:00 pm) "Maybe you know much more about this subject than I do - but Ford is working with the toroidal CVT according to an engineer friend - and if they can afford it, Toyota can surely afford it, and the LS would be the place to deploy it. "   Sorry, slow to get back as I had not heard of Ford and a Toroidal CVT trany. I cannot find any mention of it for production though - so maybe your engineering friend knows more than I do on that score. A web search seems to show them working on a full-toroidal IVT with a company called Torotrak - smaller, very fuel efficient and with geared neutral (neat). But the question still remains, has the LS got an expensive toroidal CVT or an 8-speed cog automatic trany?   I still have my doubts about the CVT/IVT possibility, but I also think a normal 8-speed might be a busy shifter - which are you hoping for? Replies to this message: vatvatsetho (Jul 15, 2005 9:52 am) rcf8000 (Jul 15, 2005 6:54 pm) nissman (Jul 16, 2005 4:45 am) nvbanker (Jul 16, 2005 1:27 pm) jack27 (Jul 19, 2005 1:09 pm)
#465 of 3321 Re: 8-speed [nissman] by vatvatsetho Jul 15, 2005 (9:52 am)
Replying to: nissman (Jul 14, 2005 4:11 am) I also have my doubts on the CVT on the 460 and the GT versions. However it is very much possible that the 600h will have a CVT, considering that 400h has a CVT. And because that will probably reduce the quality of the ride, the 8-speed tranny, that would be a very busy shifter. I am thinking either a revised version of the 6-speed the LS has now, or a new 7-speed. Replies to this message: rcf8000 (Jul 15, 2005 6:54 pm) nissman (Jul 16, 2005 4:45 am)
#466 of 3321 Kevin by syswei Jul 15, 2005 (5:18 pm)
Replying to: yamamurakelvin (Jun 16, 2005 6:49 pm) Assuming you are not watching the IS or GS boards, you might want to be aware that there is a general consensus among people interested in the IS that VDIM should have an on/off switch, so that the driver at his option can disable it. For example see: http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/FirstDrives/articleId=106455#25   I do understand that switching it off would have a safety impact, but I am sure Lexus could provide a label with that disclaimer.   P.S. I am not suggesting that such an option is needed for the LS. But the IS and GS, given their more sporty orientation, could use it. Replies to this message: oac (Jul 15, 2005 5:34 pm) syswei (Jul 15, 2005 5:50 pm) vatvatsetho (Jul 15, 2005 9:41 pm)
#467 of 3321 Re: Kevin [syswei] by oac Jul 15, 2005 (5:34 pm)
Replying to: syswei (Jul 15, 2005 5:18 pm) syswei: "But the IS and GS, given their more sporty orientation, could use it."   You are too nice to put it so mildly. Instead of "could use it", I'd say "NEEDS IT". Lexus should stop playing cop-and-robber. They either want to provide a sporty car, or want to provide a luxury car ? The LS is plenty luxurious for those inclined for such, the IS should be the complete opposite - plenty sporty, without any need for an intrusive nanny. Imagine the build quality, refinement and luxury features of an IS combined with the edgy performance of a WRX/STi or Evo in the 2006 IS350? That car will rock the world of the e90/G/Audi and re-define the sector... Suffice to say, that it'd be a winner anyday.... Why-o-why won't Lexus take their foot off the *safety-at-all-cost* for the IS and let this car be a true sport-biased luxury sedan as everyone wants it to be ???? I'll repeat myself here: LEXUS, are you listening ????? Replies to this message: syswei (Jul 15, 2005 5:50 pm) vatvatsetho (Jul 15, 2005 9:41 pm)
#468 of 3321 Re: Kevin [oac] by syswei Jul 15, 2005 (5:50 pm)
Replying to: oac (Jul 15, 2005 5:34 pm) Agreed. It is especially true with the IS that Lexus should go "all the way" with sport, because it is similar in price to the ES, so the ES can serve the cushy-ride type of buyer.
#469 of 3321 Re: 8-speed [vatvatsetho] by rcf8000 Jul 15, 2005 (6:54 pm)
Replying to: vatvatsetho (Jul 15, 2005 9:52 am) Before Lexus goes to 8 speeds, I'd like to see them properly program the 6 speed. It is way too anxious to upshift and way too reluctant to downshift. I am very disappointed in it.
#470 of 3321 Re: Kevin [oac] by vatvatsetho Jul 15, 2005 (9:41 pm)
Replying to: oac (Jul 15, 2005 5:34 pm) AMEN!!!!! basically every other luxury nameplate that has, a safety system... has an override option; or isnt has 'parenting' as the Lexus systems. The last GS had this option, but it wouldn't fully turn off. why oh why cant lexus listen to its customers, and just have an 'off' switch.
#471 of 3321 Lexus LS by jchan2 Jul 16, 2005 (3:47 am)
Does anybody have anything new to add?
#473 of 3321 Re: 8-speed [vatvatsetho] by nissman Jul 16, 2005 (4:45 am)
Replying to: vatvatsetho (Jul 15, 2005 9:52 am) "I also have my doubts on the CVT on the 460 and the GT versions. However it is very much possible that the 600h will have a CVT, considering that 400h has a CVT. And because that will probably reduce the quality of the ride, the 8-speed tranny, that would be a very busy shifter. I am thinking either a revised version of the 6-speed the LS has now, or a new 7-speed. "    I was following the 8-speed debate because according to clublexus it has an 8-speed:-    LS460: Development code name: 070X Production code name: 250L Length: 5,100mm (vs. 5,025mm of LS430) Width: 1,850mm (vs. 1,830mm of LS430) Height: 1,480mm (vs. 1,490mm/1,470mm (air suspension) of LS430) Wheelbase: 2,980mm (vs. 2,925mm of LS430) Engine: 4UZ-FSE 4.6L V-8 (vs......well we all know) Horsepower: 350hp 6,000rpm (vs. 290hp 5,600rpm) Torque: 48.0kgm 3,300rpm (vs. 42.5kgm of LS430) Transmission: 8-speed automatic (!!) Fuel efficiency average: 9.5km/l (=22.35mpg, vs. 18/25mpg of LS430)    Maybe Kevin can add a comment, and tidy up the 8-speed question. I'm going to guess the LS600H 7-speed is the same as the one announced for the GS450H, I don't think it is CVT based though, which is odd as all the other Toyota hybrid trannies are CVT based.

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