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Lexus LS 460, Sedan
Jul 12, 2005 (2:33 pm)
I'm new to this forum. When is it believed that the Lexus 460 would be available for actual purchase? My Infiniti Q45 is ten years old but still super. I want the new toys and larger trunk on a Lexus. Maybe I should wait for the 2007, but how long is that? I usually keep cars a long time. Maybe I should do a lease of the 430, and then go long term on the 460 after three years if I am happy with Lexus.
#455 of 3322 poor timing...
Jul 12, 2005 (4:56 pm)
I think Lexus missed a bit on the GS 430, the engine is basically the same performance as the original GS 400 that was introduced several years ago. Sure it's a nice ride, but the BMW 540 and the Infiniti M45 have MUCH more HP, 0-60, etc....Also, the GS 430 is not flying off the lot, only selling 600 cars a month. Don't get me wrong, still a nice car, but they could have and should have done better. The GS 300 should have come with the V6 in the Toyota Avalon, 280 HP and the 430 should have come out as the 460....oh well, I suppose they will get there at some point....
#456 of 3322 Re: poor timing... [atlas7]
Jul 12, 2005 (5:04 pm)
The 6 cyl mid level lux car always badly outsells the 8cyl. This is across the board in each nameplate.
#457 of 3322 Re: LS 460 [horseman3]
Jul 12, 2005 (10:57 pm)
Expect to see the LS460 maybe in September of 2006. The current LS is great (its always been a great car, I've had one since 1996) but the the 2001 LS430 was a somewhat evolutionary step over the last LS400 design. I think the next LS will be a pretty radical step forward, one that will be worth waiting another year for.
#458 of 3322 Re: Telegram... Camp Lexus... di di dit dit [designman]
Jul 13, 2005 (4:12 am)
"I think it is very possible the Japanese will rule the auto industry."
There's a startling article on the future of the auto industry in current Automobile. In 2000, the 3 biggest markets are US/Japan/Germany. In 2030, the 3 biggest will be China/India/US, in that order. Something tells me Chinese and Indian consumers will prefer their home teams and not let the foreigners rule over them. It's consumers in China and India who will determine losers and winners among today's auto companies really!
Regarding LF-A. Porsche and Ferrari ruled the auto sports world 30 years ago, and that duopoly will be there 30 years from now. Despite the best efforts of Audi (R9, Lambo), MB (SLR), Toyota (LF-A), Nissan (GTR). Audi's effort is pretty credible though, it dominated Le Mans for quite a while. If there's a third member to the governing elite, it's BMW. Sports cars require heritage, so no Chinese or Indian here. But don't be surprised if Porsche or Ferrari falls into their hands!
Jul 13, 2005 (6:42 am)
Let's not get distracted - this discussion is for the Lexus LS only. If you want to discuss Lexus' successes or failures, please do so on the News & Views board. This topic is specifically not about the GS. Further off-topic posts will be deleted without notice.
#460 of 3322 On that C&D blip on the next LS
Jul 13, 2005 (1:27 pm)
I overlooked the fact that it said the LS460 would come to market next spring. If they are right then the next LS and the next S hit the US market at at the same time. My dealer had said the car could be a spring 06 debut as an 07 car but I had started to feel that it would be a traditional September start date. Then the 600H comes in late 2007per the C&D blip. But that 18 month time horizon seems far too long a wait. I think the LS460 is pegged too early or the 600H is pegged too late by C&D.
#461 of 3322 Re: Telegram... Camp Lexus... di di dit dit [vatvatsetho]
Jul 13, 2005 (4:59 pm)
Actually no, it's not a pretty old engine. The engine was heavily reworked for the 1998 model year when they added VVTi to the engine to begin with. Except for the engine block, basically everything was redesigned on the engine. You are correct, the engine dates back to 1990, but it has changed significantly in the time since.
#462 of 3322 Re: Telegram... Camp Lexus... di di dit dit [mariner7]
Jul 13, 2005 (5:12 pm)
"In 2030, the 3 biggest will be China/India/US, in that order. Something tells me Chinese and Indian consumers will prefer their home teams and not let the foreigners rule over them. It's consumers in China and India who will determine losers and winners among today's auto companies really!"
I doubt Indian consumer's will prefer their home team car makers over the foreign makes if their cars are inferior. Already the biggest carmaker in India is a joint venture between Suzuki and a Indian company. The suzuki cars capture close to 50% of the consumer market. General Motors and Ford are also big sellers. GM sells many Isuzu designed vehicles as Chevy models over there. As well as Opel's are sold there. And recently, Honda and Toyota are making big inroads. The only strong homegrown Indian Automaker is Tata, which is doing quite well and even imports cars to parts of Europe these days. From experience though, Indian culture loves American stuff. They devour our music, movies, clothing brands, etc. I think if anything, GM, Toyota, Ford & Tata will end up being the top 4 brands. China on the otherhand, is alot more protectionist, and they will probably over the long term prefer their homegrown brands, but so far foreign carmakers like GM, Toyota, VW, & BMW are doing quite well.
#463 of 3322 Re: Focus, please [kirstie_h]
Jul 13, 2005 (5:47 pm)
Concur with "HOST", this forum has degraded into a general forum for luxury and other cars. Let's get it back on topic....... 2007 LS