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Replying to: nissman (Jul 09, 2005 1:18 pm) |
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| I just got my RX400h a few days ago on a single pay two year lease. All the surprises so far have been on the upside. Nothing compares. At the end of two years I fully expect to get an LS600h. If the car is as projected I expect a price of 100 kilobucks or more and I believe it will be worth it. Even today an equipped BMW750i runs around 80 kilobucks. | |
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Replying to: nissman (Jul 09, 2005 1:18 pm) |
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Hello Everyone, I have read through many of the messages posted and I only have on thing to say. The New LS and its many configurations will simply blow away the S-class and the BMW 7 Series. These two pieces of over priced German scrap metal will become obsolete once Lexus unleashes the new LS for the year 2007. Both of these makes have gotten away with over charging the public for their imperfected experiments for far to long. The Japanese by far are superior builders when it comes to quality and that is the bottom line. The Germans may have had a jump when it comes to performance, but that will all end over the next decade. The Japanese have been very patient for many years focusing on building a name brand that is superior in quality to its competitors. That was Phase One - Lexus. Now they will launch Phase Two - which not only incorporates Superior Quality, but Superior Performance. With the launch of the new LS, Lexus will engage the Germans in a head to head battle for Superiority in Quality and performance. The German car builders have focused primarily on performance and have sacrificed a great deal in the area of Quality. Quality is much tougher to achieve than performance and takes a great deal more engineering expertise that the Germans do not posses (Reproducablity). The Japanese have studied and worked tirelessly over the past several decades not only producing the worlds best quality products, but engineering the worlds best products in their design phase. Now that they have accomplished the quality phase, Lexus will launch an attack one the Germans that will be relentless over the next two decades. They will not only produce Cars and SUV's that will out perform their German Competitors, they will also up the anttie in quality, electronic's and systems integration and will become a leader in the area of safety. With the introduction of their New High Performance HyBrid Engines, they will completely obsolete whatever comes out of Germany. Our good friends at M-Benz and BMW have been on the run for several years. It has caused them to produce Inferior Quality High Performance cars that are based on looks rather than sound principles, that will maintain customer loyalty and higher resale values. Lexus is cash rich and will spare no expense in Phase Two - two build high quality, high performance, cutting edge styling cars in the future. The German car makers have gotten away with producing inferior quality cars for far too long and now they will have to pay for their lack of attention in this area. The new LS will send a strong statement to all of its German and American competitors alike. They know now and always have, that Lexus is the most superior automobile that has ever been built. They have criticized their styling and lack of performance, but now they will see what Lexus has instore for them now. The new LS along with many of the new designs to come, will put the rest of the world on notice that their is a New Master of Performance in town and they're here to stay. If the Benz and BMW fans don't belive it, tell them to wait and see, because the best is yet to be. The German and American car makers are shaking in their boots right now in anticipation of the introduction of the new LS. They know now just as they did when Lexus first introduced the LS over a decade ago, that this will be a superior product for them to dismantle, learn from and try to replicate. People talk about how LEXUS borrows styling tips from their competitors and incorporates them into their designs, but how many of their competitors are borrowing and trying to replicate the superior engineering that Lexus has designed into their engines and electronic systems? How many of them have even come close to the superior quality and systems contained in the LS and been able to reproduce them for the same price? The Answer is NONE!!! They can not and will not match what Lexus is about to do to them. They Do not have the money, expertise or drive that Lexus has and will demonstrate over the next two decades. The Super Sedan War is on and I'm betting all of my eggs on Lexus. Are there any Benz or BMW takers out there? If so, you're as foolish as the rest of the German Car Idiot's out there. Continue to purchase substandard cars that are over priced, with poor quality, and don't maintain their value as well as Lexus. I guarantee you'll be left in the dust literally as the new Lexus products zip by you on the highway leaving you in their dusty wake as they move on to their next destination. All I have to say to the Benz & BMW crowd is, Bye!!! When you see and experience the new LS, you'll be experiencing the death of the German Auto Makers and their over priced JUNK!!! For all of you LOYAL LEXUS FANS, get ready for the changing of the guard, it will be sweet watching Lexus finally shutting the mouths of the German car fools. We welcome any challenges that they pose and will gladly accept their futile attempts to compete with the New Performance Master, LEXUS. That's all I have to say!!!
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Replying to: jblak (Jul 11, 2005 4:23 am) You might be interested in another couple of forums, lexusguy, "High End Luxury Marques" #9809, 11 Jul 2005 7:03 am and lexusguy, "Luxury Performance Sedans" #2986, 11 Jul 2005 5:29 am |
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Syswei, The Language used in my previous posting may seem strong at this point. Remember that I said that this change of hands will start with the launch of the new LS. It's apparent that you have never worked with German Engineers vs Japanese. The differences in philosophy are tremendous. If you don't think that the Japanese have learned about performance and will implement what they've learned over the next decade, then you're in for a big surprise. My friend, I have worked in several highly technological industries in the Silicon Valley. I have worked with both German engineers as well as Japanese. The commitment of both are admirable. But when it comes to building quality the Japanese Philosophy is far superior. People have stated that the Japanese do not innovate. This too has been a great misconception. I don't want to get into a back and forth war of words with you, because it would be a waist of both of our time. My advise to you and anyone that doubts what I've stated in my previous posting, is to sit back relax and watch what takes place over the next decade. You along with them, will be shocked. If you think that there will be anything to stop this, good luck in finding it. You may not be aware of it, but there is such a thing called a 100 year plan in Japan. What Lexus is about to initiate will be part of their plan in the automotive industry. Just like they learned and eventually dominated in the electronics industry, the same will begin to happen in the automotive industry, over the next two decades. I want you to think about this and think about it hard. How did Lexus become the number one selling Name Plate in such a short period of time? Why is it that their engines are the marvel of the auto industry? How is it that they are more reliable than their German and American counterparts? It's not by mistake that this has happened and I invite you to sit back and watch what they do with performance over the next decade. You are going to be surprised as to what they have in store. Isn't is also amazing that they're currently testing a Lexus product that can reach speeds of about 200MPH in Germany? That's a coincidence, isn't it. No one expected it!!! So I say again, sit back relax and enjoy the changing of the guard, it's going to happen faster than everyone expects. MARK MY WORDS it's all part of the plan!!!
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Replying to: jblak (Jul 11, 2005 6:20 am) |
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Syswei, I hope that didn't give you the impression that we were in disagreement, I was reponding more or less to The statement: Use of strong words.
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Replying to: jblak (Jul 11, 2005 6:47 am) |
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Replying to: jblak (Jul 11, 2005 6:20 am) 1. They trail in performance car. This is completely within their control and a big assault in already underway. This will be easy 2. Supercars & high end sport - They have none as yet but they are now in the planning stage. This is also under their control and they will have a great deal of patience here. I don't see them ever going to a Rolls level and you hardly need that. Maybach is already failing and this is hardly a growth or profitable business. But $125-$150K cars are on on their way and they will deliver more at a much lower price and will be hard to resist. Quality is always impossible to resist.This will not be easy but it won't be anywhere as difficult as some want to believe. 3. Status and perception - Partially under their control with marketing and the increasingly growing stature of Lexus. Europe will resist bigtime until they build the factories in Europe and then Europeans will rush to buy the cars. I'd expect some major marketing programs linking stature and quality in the future when the global intro date approaches. The most difficult task to achieve (outside of the US, they are already very far along here) but their competitors will have a hard time fighting this off. It'll be like arm wrestling a guy who has 25-50% more body weight and power than you have. Stopping the Japanese is like winning a game against a power pitcher with great control. You had to do it early. Lexus cleared the early innings a long time ago. Infiniti nearly failed but found a great relief pitcher in a European. How ironic that one is. |
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