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Lexus LS 460, Sedan
#3303 of 3322 Re: Michell is Alright [dan67]
Apr 12, 2007 (5:43 pm)
mr. dan67 :
i have been cured of my case of " lexitis "
all my lexus cars were sold INCLUDING the
new LS460 . after speaking kindly about the 460 from day 1 ,
the car developed it's own mind .( one mental case in the car is already 1 too many ) the worst thing i did in cars over the span of 42 years , was trade my 2006 LS430 .
no more lexus cars for me .
#3304 of 3322 Re: Michell is Alright [mitchellrowe]
Apr 12, 2007 (5:51 pm)
Mitchell, can you tell us what the car did? I haven't yet sprung for the 460, and still enjoy my 04 LS430, so am very interested in hearing your 460 impressions. Thank you.
#3305 of 3322 Re: Michell is Alright [rennybosch]
Apr 12, 2007 (7:01 pm)
mr. rennybosch : hello again , how have you been ?
the 460 : from day 1 , i defended the brakes against those who questioned their abilities . however , when at a dead stop, in forward gear , with my right foot on the brake ,
at a traffic light , i found the 460 frequently stepping forward . i applied more pressure with my right foot on the brake pedal . ( to note : i never watched the tachometer ) -
i always thought it was the brake system .
the automobile is so quiet and smooth , unless it is light out , i could not tell the 460 was creeping forward , until i heard ( ears ) creeping in the front brake (s) .
on a very dark night , in the city , i was at a red light
with traffic coming east to west . i crept out far enough to catch a 4 door sedan's rear wheel ( passenger side ).
damage : the front license holder on the 460 , the other car's wheel and tire ( $ 600 ) paid to him .
no one hurt . i do not consume alcohol , or medication that creats tiredness . time was 7:45 pm .
that made me realize the 460 stepping forward , inch by inch , could cost me or others great physical damage .
the 460 is gone , and the only other lexus i am holding is a '92 es that was my mother's . i don't drive it , i just like to see it .
i hope i have been descriptive in my reply to you .
#3306 of 3322 Re: Michell is Alright [mitchellrowe]
Apr 14, 2007 (6:41 pm)
I've never heard a more assertive endorsement for Lexus in my life than the one you gave, mitchell - and now you're deserting the brand entirely? Well, one thing for sure, I'm hanging on to my 05 LS for a while, and see what happens...
#3307 of 3322 Re: Michell is Alright [nvbanker]
Apr 14, 2007 (7:47 pm)
I'm also watching and waiting with my 2006 LS430. Not a year old until August. Maybe the 2008s will be better?
#3308 of 3322 Re: Michell is Alright [rgsw]
Apr 15, 2007 (1:15 pm)
I'm absolutely shocked that Lexus is having "first year issues" like American cars sometimes do. Of all the cars on the market, Lexus shouldn't. Yet they are??? I think there will be a flood of good barely used LS430s on the market soon, and they'll evidently command some price if the 460's get a bad reputation. They're starting to sound like BMWs, aren't they? Reminiscent of the 03 7 series...
I'm waiting, and watching, and in no hurry. Actually quite content with my 430.
#3309 of 3322 Re: Michell is Alright [nvbanker]
Apr 15, 2007 (4:33 pm)
Yes, due the bump in pricing of the 460s, the 430 models are indeed worth more on the open secndary market.
#3310 of 3322 Styling impressions....
Apr 15, 2007 (5:26 pm)
The 460 is more impressive than the 430 - however, the migration of design is still rather conservative. It resembles the 430, and stays true to the DNA of the brand. Nobody can look at one and wonder what it is, unless they've never seen a Lexus before. Not a very aggressive departure from the 430. Not that that's a bad thing - unless you're Jaguar.
#3311 of 3322 No rush to trade up to the 460L. Still enjoying my 430.
Apr 15, 2007 (9:58 pm)
From a style standpoint, I almost prefer the 430. Quietness and ride are about the same as in the new 460L. To me the 430s appear a little wider and more substantial, and there seems to be more room on the inside as well as in the trunk. The windows are larger, particularly in the back. There is more space and roominess is the back seat in the L model, but I do not sit there. Both front seat passengers have enough room, but the middle console is now larger, so it feels just a little more confined. Perhaps I just prefer the familiar at the moment. Acquaintances who know that I am looking at a new one are literally lining up for my 430, when I take the plunge. There is no doubt that I will upgrade as I have an older 2001 LS 430. I really am upgrading for the warranty protection, new transmission and air suspension, and the electronic toys such as the hard drive for the Nav/radio, parking assist (the electronic probes, but not the autopilot parking feature), built in bluetooth for the phone, anticollision system and radar cruise systems, etc. There is no hurry, however, and I am waiting for the hubaloo of the new cycle to calm down before I buy. Truth be known, I also like the styling of the Mercedes, but the problematic reliability of the Mercedes, for the greater price would be a foolish investment in my view. Also, it seems that there is a glut of Mercedes driving around LA, so what is the point of trying differentiate yourself with one. Lexus is the thinking person's vehicle (yeah, I know this is arrogant in the Imus age, and of course Mercedes owners certainly think, but you all know what I mean). Same thing with the hybrid. Sounds good even though the battery slowly wears down and has to be disposed of eventually. Wonder how *that* will affect the retail value in 5 years. Meanwhile, it is new technology at a premium price--I would just as soon let someone else figure out whether it was really worth it in a year or two. By then the growing pains will be worked out, and if it works, that would be the time to trade up. The most important thing about cars for me is in fact the reliability. Crash worthiness is next. And the ride, for longer trips, is realy the comfort issue, as you want to arrive less fatigued due to the cumulative effect of lesser noise and vibration; I don't necessarily need to make a statement with a car, but I suppose that is a benefit when visiting restaurants and such, but the real issue is that I don't like the hassle of taking them back to the dealer to make them right the second and third times. I have had to do that just once in 7 years with the LS430. The brakes squealed after having the pads replaced. They claimed it was normal. But it wasn't, and promptly went away after they put different premium brake pads on. I don't think I have ever needed 600HP, even when I was flying light planes, so why pay for it. All too easy to get the 430s and 460s up to way beyond the speed limits without really noticing even without any extra horses. The cost of Gasoline is really the cheapest part of operating these types of vechicles, as it was for the airplanes. So why the rush to batteries. Seems like the smaller cars where fuel is more of the operating equation, is the place to perfect this technology, e.g. Prius and Ford Escorts. So far I have been satisfied that Lexus is the most reliable of the L classes, but I still prefer to let the growing pains get worked out before I invest in them. All you 460L owners, keep up the feedback. I figure that after 6 or 7 months, we should know better where the nuisance issues are; These are the ones that can easily be tweaked at the factory before delivery. So far I have heard of questions about brakes (seems inplausable to me) and some wind noise, but there are so few vehicles out there, it is really hard to know. Rain sensors can be a little sensitive, but cause little harm, and are easy to switch out. The vast majority of new owners really seem to be satisfied, but again it is early in the cycle.
#3312 of 3322 Rear leg room
Apr 15, 2007 (10:46 pm)
To woppenhe: your 430 has 2 more inches of rear leg room than the 460 ls, the camry has 1 more inch of rear leg room than the 460 ls. quite a problem when you are considering criteria for a luxury car. your trunk has 2 more c.ft than the 460 ls
The brakes are not as smooth as the NEW brakes & rotors, replaced under warranty, on my 2004 cad.dts
I was really looking fwd. to this model oh well i'll wait another 8 years!
The specs were obtained from cars.com, as the rear leg room is NOT published by LEXUS.I believe they are forcing you into the LS460L