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#299 of 3321 Re: Mercedes doesn't seem to care [callmedrfill] by ljflx Jun 15, 2005 (6:07 am)
Replying to: callmedrfill (Jun 15, 2005 5:36 am) Where are you getting your MB prices? The V8 S430 is in the $75K MSRP range right now and has been heavily discounted (I've seen them advertised at $65K with lease deals cheaper than an LS by a decent amount) plus 4-matic is a freebe throw-in on top of that if you are lucky enough to find a 4-matic. The V6 S350 is supposed to be about $10K less in MSRP if it is even here. If MB raises the price of an updated S450 to 90K where does the next gen S500 go to - $105K?? They can kiss their sales goodbye after 6 months with those prices. Replies to this message: merc1 (Jun 15, 2005 9:52 pm)
#300 of 3321 Re: Question [ljflx] by aggie76 Jun 15, 2005 (9:03 am)
Replying to: ljflx (Jun 14, 2005 6:39 pm) I am one of those who cross-shopped the LS vs. the E-class seriously (and a few others for the fun of it) and went with the LS just as you said. I would have gone MB but given the value, reliability & space for what I was willing to spend it was an easy ultimate decision to go with an LS last year. No regrets at all.
#301 of 3321 aggie76 by lexusguy Jun 15, 2005 (4:48 pm)
CR has customer satisfaction ratings currently back to '97, and there's an LS400\430 in the top 5 every year up through 2004. It probably goes back further than that Im sure. People that own a LS tend to like it very much. Replies to this message: aggie76 (Jun 16, 2005 3:15 am)
#302 of 3321 Re: Mercedes doesn't seem to care [ljflx] by merc1 Jun 15, 2005 (9:52 pm)
Replying to: ljflx (Jun 15, 2005 6:07 am) Lots of Mercedes talk in here. The S350 is here and 4Matic S-Classes aren't hard to find. Though I doubt the new S450 will base at 90K, that is a bit much even for Mercedes.   M
#303 of 3321 Re: aggie76 [lexusguy] by aggie76 Jun 16, 2005 (3:15 am)
Replying to: lexusguy (Jun 15, 2005 4:48 pm) Agree with the ratings background as I had a '98 GS300 before my LS430. Have got a business associate with an '04 E500 with numerous issues. Every time he visits me he makes at least one statement regreting his purchase of his MB. Dealer service is the #1 complaint he has and he knows the entire team by first name in their service dept. I just have to LOL.   Can't wait for more specifics and photos on the next generation LS - had planned to keep this one for 6-8 years but who knows, the bug may bite me hard.
#304 of 3321 Haven't actually checked Benz MSRP lately by callmedrfill Jun 16, 2005 (4:01 am)
Not using transaction prices, as these vary WIDELY from place to place, and month to month.        Maybe the COMPARABLE V8 S is $85k. Autoweek reports that a V6 with comparable power to today's S430 is expected, than a S450 (see S500), than a S550 (check S600)        I would consider an LS COMPARABLE to a S with the $13k Luxury Pkg, which adds features that are also optional on the $85k S500. I would assume there is still a $20k difference in price for comparably equipped cars       I expect a Hybrid LS to run somewhere near the next S450 in price.       Do you expect Mercedes to raise prices on the S-Class significantly? In lieu of the current market condition, and their modest sales performance the last couple of years, anything over a modest increase would be a mistake.       $65k-90k should be Lexus' new ballpark.       DrFill Replies to this message: ljflx (Jun 16, 2005 6:46 am)
#305 of 3321 Re: Haven't actually checked Benz MSRP lately [callmedrfill] by ljflx Jun 16, 2005 (6:46 am)
Replying to: callmedrfill (Jun 16, 2005 4:01 am) The comparable MB S-class to a fully loaded ultra LS430 is the S430 right now. The S450 is its replacement and will probably be priced similarly to it which is $75-76K not $85K. I don't even think an S500 starts at $85K. The S350 is MB's attempt to bring a 6cyl engine back to this class. Right now put the few things on an S430 that are lacking vs an LS430 ultra and you end up at an MSRP of $78K vs $72K in the LS. Now you can add some more things on that S430 that Lexus doesn't offer right now and you can probably get to $90K. But it seems to me that you would logically take an S500 over that for reasons of common sense and better future resale value, not to mention the engine that really should be in the S-class as the base engine in the first place. The reality - at least when I drove them in 2001 is you needed an S-500 to match the LS430's power. The S430 just didn't cut it. Whether the move to a 7speed tranny changed that or not I don't know. I would expect next gen LS list prices to range from $65-74K for a gas LS430 ($62K if they maintain a non-nav car) and $75-80K for a hybrid. The big V10 or V12 equivalent hybrid with 500+HP LS will probably push to $100K.
#306 of 3321 Prototype Photos of the New Lexus LS is Available by k_mitsui Jun 16, 2005 (8:57 am)
Hello All I just want to inform all people from the Lexus LS forum that there's real prototype photo on the Lexus LS is now available on some member based Japanese and Asian websites. These photos was taken approx 5 days ago while Kevin and Mr. Takada was test driving the new Lexus LS 4.6 liter, short-wheel base prototype outside the outdoor tracks at Toyota's Higashi-Fuji Technical Center. Mr. Erik Bjalkvall and Mr. Nakayama from CarMode Japan were given speical permissions by Kevin and Mr. Takada to take two exterior shots of the new sedan while it has being tested on the test track. Therfore they are the only individuals that have acquired these true photo shots of the sedan...Do not trust anybody else! Currently these photos are only restricted to individuals whom have register and subscribe a monthly fee. However a Chinese website recently bought the copyrights of these photos so you can view them in public...I will now provide the URL link:      http://www.pcauto.com.cn/newcar/abroad/lexus/0506/289367.html Thank You for your attendsion, and I will keep up updated when new information is available Ken Replies to this message: mikegiller (Jun 16, 2005 9:58 am) maxhonda99 (Jun 16, 2005 10:42 am) ljflx (Jun 16, 2005 11:06 am)
#307 of 3321 Prototype Photos of the New Lexus LS is Available by phenom1 Jun 16, 2005 (9:53 am)
That short-wheel base looks small and ugly to me. I seen a picture of the LS 600 in a Road & Track magazine yesterday. Looks real sporty...very nice. Thanks Ken for all your info.
#308 of 3321 :( by mikegiller Jun 16, 2005 (9:58 am)
Replying to: k_mitsui (Jun 16, 2005 8:57 am) Here I was getting all pumped and crying of hapiness, about to see the 2007 LS, a car I am wanting to buy, for the FIRST time, and its pictures of the IS GT I've seen before. My feelings are hurt

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