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#289 of 3321 AWD by nexuslexus Jun 13, 2005 (6:29 pm)
Well... I have confirmed AWD will be available on the LS, I don't remember exactly where but I believe it was at the NAIAS.   I just hope it will be available immediately (the GS AWD was available from launch right?... or actually, I haven't seen any new GS's on the road... have they even been released yet?)   I would have to settle for a GS if they aren't AWD LS in september '06.
#290 of 3321 nexuslexus by lexusguy Jun 13, 2005 (8:01 pm)
Interesting, an AWD LS is news to me. Yes, the GS300 AWD was available at launch. That was definitely necessary, I'm sure they didnt want to give away any sales to the M35x or RL. Replies to this message: ljflx (Jun 14, 2005 4:51 am)
#291 of 3321 Re: nexuslexus [lexusguy] by ljflx Jun 14, 2005 (4:51 am)
Replying to: lexusguy (Jun 13, 2005 8:01 pm) From everything I know AWD will be an option on the next LS and they may even ship mostly AWD's to the colder states for dealer inventory. Some have implied this will be a standard feature but I doubt it because there simply is no need for AWD in places like Florida where the LS is a huge seller. Supposedly it is Lexus' intent to make AWD available on every car they sell. So the ES and IS and perhaps even the SC will also get it.
#292 of 3321 AWD by nexuslexus Jun 14, 2005 (5:53 am)
Yes, I believe that AWD will be essential for the LS's increased success in the Northeast and the few other northern cities where the LS is targeted (Detroit, Chicago, Windsor, etc.).   Like they didn't want to give market share to the G35x or the RL, they won't want to give share to the S500 4matic or the A8 Quatro. Replies to this message: oac (Jun 14, 2005 9:36 am) ljflx (Jun 14, 2005 9:55 am)
#293 of 3321 Re: AWD [nexuslexus] by oac Jun 14, 2005 (9:36 am)
Replying to: nexuslexus (Jun 14, 2005 5:53 am) Maybe you haven't noticed, the A8 is no where in competition against the LS when it comes to sales. Even the S-class requires all four variants (S430/500/600/55) to achieve 60% of the single-trim LS in sales. So I don't think Lexus is worried about losing sales to either of these two cars. More like Lexus want to further push the competitions to the fringe of the market space, cornering ever more market share for themselves in the process. Hence the next redesign of the LS, with many trim levels - hybrid, LWB, SWB, AWD, etc. Replies to this message: ljflx (Jun 14, 2005 9:55 am)
#294 of 3321 Re: AWD [oac] by ljflx Jun 14, 2005 (9:55 am)
Replying to: oac (Jun 14, 2005 9:36 am) Lexus sells more LS430's in 5 or 6 weeks than Audi sells A8's in a year. Audi gets little, if any thought here. The AWD in an LS 430 will be aimed at the S-class 4-matics.
#295 of 3321 Question by callmedrfill Jun 14, 2005 (5:34 pm)
Will the LS still sell 30k units a year if they sell at $65k base price?       Maybe Year 1. Could that be sustained?       With LWB and Hybrid sales, share will probably be the same, but profit will increase. I'm sure the Germans don't see the LS as a direct competitor because of the price difference.       DrFill Replies to this message: ljflx (Jun 14, 2005 6:39 pm) aggie76 (Jun 15, 2005 9:03 am)
#296 of 3321 Re: Question [callmedrfill] by ljflx Jun 14, 2005 (6:39 pm)
Replying to: callmedrfill (Jun 14, 2005 5:34 pm) I couldn't possibly agree with you. Lexus has gotten rich in the most important market in the world. They are taken very seriously by MB, who is barely profitable right now. Just about everyone I know who drives an LS would have been in an MB S or E-class if Lexus wasn't around. You can't look at this as a world wide issue. Gaining or losing share in a market like the US can be the make or break on worldwide profitability. If your profits are hurt you seek all causes and you take them very seriously. Incremental profits that are lost from a market you once owned are a killer on any business. Replies to this message: aggie76 (Jun 15, 2005 9:03 am)
#297 of 3321 callmedrfill by lexusguy Jun 14, 2005 (8:47 pm)
" I'm sure the Germans don't see the LS as a direct competitor because of the price difference."   Haha! This isnt 1989. The LS may not be a threat to them in their home market, but here in the states, M-B definitely considers the LS as a competitor.   Just curious, can an anyone tell me the ratio of S500 4matics sold to RWD S models? I just didnt think there was big demand for AWD in this class.
#298 of 3321 Mercedes doesn't seem to care by callmedrfill Jun 15, 2005 (5:36 am)
They will keep selling a V6 for $75k, even into the next generation. And a comparable S450 will be $90k+. So it hasn't become a better value against an LS.        The 7's ergonomics have gotten worst over the years as Audi and Lexus have raised the state of the art.        VW went over the LS' price by $10k without a thought.        The next LS should join them in the mid-60's, but it will bring plenty of market share with them.       DrFill Replies to this message: ljflx (Jun 15, 2005 6:07 am) merc1 (Jun 15, 2005 9:52 pm)

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