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#285 of 3321 Re: Waiting List [nexuslexus] by oac Jun 13, 2005 (3:16 pm)
Replying to: nexuslexus (Jun 13, 2005 11:43 am) *sorry... I seem to have had trouble collecting my thoughts concisely and coherently.   No problem. I think you did just great....   You are the target market for the next LS (I am also), and I think that the LS will probably go on the Tokyo Motor Show later this year, at least that's what some car mags in Japan are speculating. If that happens, then you and many of us can start to see what the real LS460 and its many other variants will look like. Clearly, this car will set and raise the bar on luxury full-size sedans once again, a la 1989. The new 4.6L in the SWB LS will probably not rate higher than 350HP, with a 3xxIb ft of torque. MPG will remain in the low 20s, despite the higher outputs from the new dual vvt-i engines. Straightline speed will remain under 6s 0-60, with the 4.6L/6A setup (heck, the current 290HP motor gets to 60 in 5.9s). And luxury features will be well done, as typical Lexus. I am waiting for this car, and will not get on a waiting list tho'. If these are hard to get, you can always employ the services of car shopping agents offered from your local credit union or Costco, for example. Replies to this message: nexuslexus (Jun 13, 2005 3:24 pm)
#286 of 3321 Re: Waiting List [oac] by nexuslexus Jun 13, 2005 (3:24 pm)
Replying to: oac (Jun 13, 2005 3:16 pm) Why not a waiting list... are there disadvantages? Since I have never gotten on a waiting list in the past, I don't know how these work... but wouldn't a deposit be refundable?   And would the Costco car program be able to find you a hard to find car? Or would they just be able to get you a better deal?
#287 of 3321 nexuslexus by lexusguy Jun 13, 2005 (4:57 pm)
"Would the LS be a) available in AWD and b) worth the lack of discount and also lack of rating by Consumer Reports or JD Powers."   An AWD Lexus LS is a big question mark at this point. Its a possibility.. but I'm not really expecting one. As for reliability ratings, dont worry about it. The SC430 and LS430 hold the #1 and #2 spots in the world for reliability. I seriously doubt that would change with the new model.
#288 of 3321 AWD by syswei Jun 13, 2005 (5:11 pm)
My opinion is that we'll definitely see AWD LSs. The questions are when and in what form (hybrid or conventional or both).
#289 of 3321 AWD by nexuslexus Jun 13, 2005 (6:29 pm)
Well... I have confirmed AWD will be available on the LS, I don't remember exactly where but I believe it was at the NAIAS.   I just hope it will be available immediately (the GS AWD was available from launch right?... or actually, I haven't seen any new GS's on the road... have they even been released yet?)   I would have to settle for a GS if they aren't AWD LS in september '06.
#290 of 3321 nexuslexus by lexusguy Jun 13, 2005 (8:01 pm)
Interesting, an AWD LS is news to me. Yes, the GS300 AWD was available at launch. That was definitely necessary, I'm sure they didnt want to give away any sales to the M35x or RL. Replies to this message: ljflx (Jun 14, 2005 4:51 am)
#291 of 3321 Re: nexuslexus [lexusguy] by ljflx Jun 14, 2005 (4:51 am)
Replying to: lexusguy (Jun 13, 2005 8:01 pm) From everything I know AWD will be an option on the next LS and they may even ship mostly AWD's to the colder states for dealer inventory. Some have implied this will be a standard feature but I doubt it because there simply is no need for AWD in places like Florida where the LS is a huge seller. Supposedly it is Lexus' intent to make AWD available on every car they sell. So the ES and IS and perhaps even the SC will also get it.
#292 of 3321 AWD by nexuslexus Jun 14, 2005 (5:53 am)
Yes, I believe that AWD will be essential for the LS's increased success in the Northeast and the few other northern cities where the LS is targeted (Detroit, Chicago, Windsor, etc.).   Like they didn't want to give market share to the G35x or the RL, they won't want to give share to the S500 4matic or the A8 Quatro. Replies to this message: oac (Jun 14, 2005 9:36 am) ljflx (Jun 14, 2005 9:55 am)
#293 of 3321 Re: AWD [nexuslexus] by oac Jun 14, 2005 (9:36 am)
Replying to: nexuslexus (Jun 14, 2005 5:53 am) Maybe you haven't noticed, the A8 is no where in competition against the LS when it comes to sales. Even the S-class requires all four variants (S430/500/600/55) to achieve 60% of the single-trim LS in sales. So I don't think Lexus is worried about losing sales to either of these two cars. More like Lexus want to further push the competitions to the fringe of the market space, cornering ever more market share for themselves in the process. Hence the next redesign of the LS, with many trim levels - hybrid, LWB, SWB, AWD, etc. Replies to this message: ljflx (Jun 14, 2005 9:55 am)
#294 of 3321 Re: AWD [oac] by ljflx Jun 14, 2005 (9:55 am)
Replying to: oac (Jun 14, 2005 9:36 am) Lexus sells more LS430's in 5 or 6 weeks than Audi sells A8's in a year. Audi gets little, if any thought here. The AWD in an LS 430 will be aimed at the S-class 4-matics.

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