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#278 of 3321 jchan2 by lexusguy Jun 12, 2005 (7:05 pm)
I doubt it. According to Edmunds: "The Ford Freestar and Mercury Monterey minivans will be discontinued after 2007, about the same time the Ford Freestyle wagon will be phased out, according to supplier sources familiar with the automaker's plans. In its place, Mercury will get a freshened version of what was the Chicago-built Freestyle as a 2007 or 2008 model, finally giving the brand some differentiation from Ford and Lincoln."   The Freestyle will apparently be replaced with a Ford version of the Lincoln Aviator, probably using the same 3.5L engine that the Aviator is supposed to debut.   There will be a LWB version of the LS, so yes, its going to get longer.
#279 of 3321 Sounds like anyone buying a new Ford these days by callmedrfill Jun 12, 2005 (9:13 pm)
is making quite the wise investment!       These vehicles are being discontinued right after the ad launch!       Anyone who can't see how ugly the Freestyle is, and is willing to pay for the same old, tired Duratec deserves the resale value they git!       I'm tempted to get on a Lexus LS waiting list just to get the word straight from the horse's mouth in updates and product knowledge.       In 15 years the car hasn't grown longer to please the Japanese market, where smaller is better, but a LWB will be made available here in America, because it would sell BIG!       DrFill
#280 of 3321 callmedrfill by lexusguy Jun 12, 2005 (11:24 pm)
I think whats happened is Ford finally woke up and figured out that they have absolutely no hope of ever competing with the T&C\Caravan. Now they're chasing the Pacifica instead. Making the Freestyle just to kill it and then re-launch it as a Mercury is a little odd though. They are desperately trying to establish some sort of difference between Ford and Mercury, and thus are juggling at least 2 or 3 x-over SUV products around. GM may be getting all of the bad press, but Ford's product portfolio is the one that is an absolute mess.   I'm very interested to see what Lexus interior designers do with the next LS. The Phaeton and A8 have set the bar extremely high for the level of elegance and luxury available in this class. Lexus has their work cut out for them.
#281 of 3321 I wouldn't worry by callmedrfill Jun 13, 2005 (9:08 am)
The IS is a major advance in this class, as good as (or better) than the TL and A4, easily better than Infiniti and BMW.       DrFill
#282 of 3321 callmedrfill by lexusguy Jun 13, 2005 (10:03 am)
Oh I'm not worried, I just want to see it. I think its going to be amazing.
#283 of 3321 Given by chris65amg Jun 13, 2005 (11:39 am)
the fact that the LS has always had a gorgeous interior, they better really put on a good show this generation. I'm sure that it will be good, but the question is: how good?
#284 of 3321 Waiting List by nexuslexus Jun 13, 2005 (11:43 am)
Well, I guess since I need to get the LS as soon as it comes out, I will have to get on the waiting list as soon as the local Lexus Dealer creates one. I guess that would probably be around when the car is announced... in Detroit? Or Tokyo?   Does anybody recommend a specific Lexus dealer in the Detroit area? I am edging to either Lexus of Ann Arbor or Lexus because I haven't been impressed with Meade in the past.   In regards to a large people moving machine, I also recommend the Sienna. While I would prefer a Lexus (in regards to luxury), the Sienna XLE Limited is well equipped. In fact, although it doesn't have typical Lexus perks such as auto windows on every door and high quality wood and leather, the Sienna Limited has adaptive cruise control which works well, rear view camera, xenon lights, and other things that are NOT standard on the any Lexus.   Minivans also get better gas mileage (the sienna takes premium, so mileage makes a difference) and are more user friendly in terms of space, though the engines, styling and handling leave a lot to be desired. But if you need to carry that many passengers, the sienna is the way to go (my wife drives the sienna for the kids, but since the kids are almost gone this may be the last minivan we get).   I will stick with LS, though I don't carry too many passengers, and don't haul around the kids.   My son drives a Highlander Limited, which is pretty nice. Again, I may have preferred a Lexus based on higher reliability (on avg. according to Consumer Reports) and service, but the RX is more of a "mother's" car according to him, and I was happy to buy him a less expensive car. A Lexus version of the Rav4 would have been excellent for him though. I wanted a smaller car for him than the Highlander, but the Rav4 was not suitable, with its 4 cylinder engine and lack of amenities.   Actually, I guess what I have to decide is whether to get a GS300 AWD in September '06 or a LS460 AWD in September '06 (will they have an AWD LS by September? Where I live AWD or FWD is essential with the hills and winter snow).   Would the LS be a) available in AWD and b) worth the lack of discount and also lack of rating by Consumer Reports or JD Powers.   *sorry... I seem to have had trouble collecting my thoughts concisely and coherently. Replies to this message: oac (Jun 13, 2005 3:16 pm) nexuslexus (Jun 13, 2005 3:24 pm)
#285 of 3321 Re: Waiting List [nexuslexus] by oac Jun 13, 2005 (3:16 pm)
Replying to: nexuslexus (Jun 13, 2005 11:43 am) *sorry... I seem to have had trouble collecting my thoughts concisely and coherently.   No problem. I think you did just great....   You are the target market for the next LS (I am also), and I think that the LS will probably go on the Tokyo Motor Show later this year, at least that's what some car mags in Japan are speculating. If that happens, then you and many of us can start to see what the real LS460 and its many other variants will look like. Clearly, this car will set and raise the bar on luxury full-size sedans once again, a la 1989. The new 4.6L in the SWB LS will probably not rate higher than 350HP, with a 3xxIb ft of torque. MPG will remain in the low 20s, despite the higher outputs from the new dual vvt-i engines. Straightline speed will remain under 6s 0-60, with the 4.6L/6A setup (heck, the current 290HP motor gets to 60 in 5.9s). And luxury features will be well done, as typical Lexus. I am waiting for this car, and will not get on a waiting list tho'. If these are hard to get, you can always employ the services of car shopping agents offered from your local credit union or Costco, for example. Replies to this message: nexuslexus (Jun 13, 2005 3:24 pm)
#286 of 3321 Re: Waiting List [oac] by nexuslexus Jun 13, 2005 (3:24 pm)
Replying to: oac (Jun 13, 2005 3:16 pm) Why not a waiting list... are there disadvantages? Since I have never gotten on a waiting list in the past, I don't know how these work... but wouldn't a deposit be refundable?   And would the Costco car program be able to find you a hard to find car? Or would they just be able to get you a better deal?
#287 of 3321 nexuslexus by lexusguy Jun 13, 2005 (4:57 pm)
"Would the LS be a) available in AWD and b) worth the lack of discount and also lack of rating by Consumer Reports or JD Powers."   An AWD Lexus LS is a big question mark at this point. Its a possibility.. but I'm not really expecting one. As for reliability ratings, dont worry about it. The SC430 and LS430 hold the #1 and #2 spots in the world for reliability. I seriously doubt that would change with the new model.

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