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Lexus LS 460, Sedan
#2743 of 3322 LS sets the standard...
Sep 10, 2006 (9:30 pm)
...since its debut. the 1st gen Car and Driver LS comparo in 1989 found it the #1 vehicle over the S-class and others; they cited superior "comfort, engine performance, ergonomics, ride quality, styling," etc. The last gen LS 430 also beat out the S-class in the last C & D comparo, taking first place in that article. Will it do the same this time around?
However, reading those articles and contrasting the magazines from then to now, I am struck by how much the tone has changed--the articles are much shorter on text and analysis now, and IMO are less erudite. The emphasis has switched to more subjective, surface elements (perhaps as magazine sales continue to decline?) that I'm not sure the coming comparos will offer enough detail. Or will judge the sedans the same way. But we'll see.
From ClubLexus, here's a choice quote from Automobile magazine:
"The previous Lexus LS430 is an astonishingly good car, superior in many ways, but it is just not quite in the class of the Germans when you talk about driving dynamics. That all changes for 2007. The new LS460 is not just the peer of the leading trio, it provides a new benchmark for the category."
And from autochannel:
"The LS 460 is a major step forward for Lexus. As comfortable and inviting as the Executive Class right rear seat may be, the driver's seat is just as good in its own way. Previous LS generations were not known as driver's cars, in the manner made famous by the Germans. This one is."
I seriously hope they haven't compromised the LS' absorbent, smooth ride in favor of performance!
#2744 of 3322 Re: The Car & Driver preview article [oac]
Sep 11, 2006 (8:07 am)
this is the LS460 board, so expect some love for the car around here
That's the way it should be, and I wouldn't want or expect it any other way!
on HELM, well that's a different boat
Well . . . same answer.
Sep 11, 2006 (1:57 pm)
Sorry for the bluriness, I hope you can read that.
Also, the LS600hL will be coming in the spring of 2007 and will have more than 430hp (confirmed)
#2746 of 3322 Re: NEW INFORMATION [nexuslexus]
Sep 11, 2006 (2:43 pm)
Is this from the U.S. Lexus website? Unfortunately, it is very difficult to read the information on your post.
#2749 of 3322 Re: NEW INFORMATION [nexuslexus]
Sep 11, 2006 (4:00 pm)
Thank you nexuslexus! I appreciate it. For some reason I stupidly assumed that this was new information on the LS600hL, but this is good stuff on the LS460 and LS460L. The only thing that bothers me is the trunk space shrinkage with the rear AC option. I wonder what sort of trunk space there will be on the LS600hL? If it's a matter of rear AC or trunk space, I am going with the trunk space.
#2750 of 3322 Possibly new information on LS600hL (long.. sorry)
Sep 11, 2006 (4:26 pm)
Here is what may be new information on the LS600hL.
Lexus 2008 LS 600h L: World's First Full Hybrid V8 Luxury Sedan
Joins All-New Fourth-Generation LS 460 and LS 460 L
09/12/2006 Torrance, CA
September 12, 2006 - Torrance, CA - Unveiled at the 2006 New York International Automobile Show, Lexus' all-new 2008 LS 600h L hybrid luxury sedan is scheduled to arrive in spring 2007. The all-wheel-drive LS 600h L will be the world's first vehicle to feature a full hybrid V8 powertrain.
"The LS 600h L was developed to explore the outer reaches of performance, style and safety," said Bob Carter, Lexus Division group vice president and general manager. "It is a vehicle as efficient and familiar as it is indulgent and advanced, a far-reaching concept, fully developed and fully realized. It is simply in a class by itself."
Lexus Hybrid Drive
Coinciding with the debut of the all-new LS is the introduction of the Lexus Hybrid Drive name, which will be used globally for all Lexus hybrid models. The hybrid-drive system in the LS 600h L builds upon the Lexus legacy established by the RX 400h and GS 450h to combine an all-new five-liter V8 gasoline engine with large, high-output electric motors and a newly designed large-capacity battery pack. This advanced combination will provide the LS 600h L with an unmatched balance of environmental efficiency and performance, furnishing the hybrid with a peak combined output rating of more than 430 horsepower.
To distribute this immense power, a new full-time all-wheel-drive system is utilized for superior handling control. The LS 600h L also employs a newly developed dual-stage electronically controlled, continuously variable transmission. This combination results in impressive power and seamless acceleration.
The Lexus Hybrid Drive system found in the LS 600h L is the automotive industry's most advanced gas-electric hybrid system developed to date. The hybrid system results in seamless power and very impressive passing speed. It will deliver power and performance on a par with modern 12-cylinder engines, while still delivering best-in-V8-class fuel efficiency.
The LS hybrid is expected to carry a Super Ultra Low Emission Vehicle (SULEV) rating. A SULEV rating means the LS 600h L has nearly 70 percent fewer emissions than the "cleanest" of its competitors.
"It is fair to say that to our knowledge there is nothing on the road, or on the drawing board, that comes close to delivering such a formerly contradictory combination of jaw-dropping engine performance, fuel efficiency and fewer emissions," Carter said.
Owing to the inherent noise, vibration and harshness (NVH) improvements offered by its hybrid powertrain, the LS 600h L is designed to set a new standard for silent running in the prestige-luxury sedan class. The depth and density of cabin quietness in the LS 600h L required extensive re-engineering of accessory motors and switches.
With "quiet-ride" ranking as one of the top five reasons for purchase of prestige-luxury vehicles, especially among current LS owners, the LS 600h L is well-situated in its class and poised to please the exacting luxury-car buyer. Its NVH levels are about half that found in conventional cars, making the hybrid LS one of the quietest automobiles ever built, if not the quietest.
High-Output V8 and World's First Eight-Speed Automatic Transmission
The LS 460 and LS 460 L will be powered by an all-new, highly advanced 4.6-liter V8 engine that will produce approximately 380 horsepower and 367 pound-feet of torque. Combined with a world-first eight-speed automatic transmission, these LS sedans will travel from zero-to-sixty miles per hour in 5.4 seconds. Even with this level of performance, the new LS sedans are expected to receive a combined city/highway mileage of 23 mpg as well as an Ultra-Low Emissions Vehicle II (ULEV II) rating.
Advanced Active Safety Technologies
Coinciding with the launch of the hybrid model is a newly developed, Advanced Pre-Collision System (APCS) that is unlike any system ever before offered by Lexus. One element of APCS is a new system designed to help detect pedestrians in the vehicle's path.
Two small cameras mounted at the front of the car, in conjunction with millimeter-wave radar, are sensitive enough to detect not just large metal obstructions such as cars but also smaller nonmetallic objects, such as humans.
A third camera, mounted on the steering column, monitors the orientation of the driver's face. If the camera sees that the driver is not looking directly ahead for a few seconds or more, and if an obstacle is detected ahead, then it alerts the driver first with a warning chime and a flashing light. As the car gets closer to the obstacle, the system can begin to gently apply the brakes on its own. To assist the driver in maneuvering around the obstacle, the system reprograms the steering ratio, amplifying the intensity and quickness of the steering response.
While all of this is happening, the system automatically retracts the seat-belt restraints for driver and front passenger and prepares the brake system to respond with increased force when activated by the driver in anticipation of a possible impact.
These unique active safety systems team with Lexus' proprietary next-generation Vehicle Dynamics Integrated Management (VDIM) system, standard on all new LS models, which integrates Electric Power Steering (EPS), Vehicle Stability Control (VSC), Electronic Control Brakes (ECB), Anti-lock Braking System (ABS) and Electronic Brake-force Distribution (EBD).
An air suspension system equipped with Variable Gear Ratio Steering (VGRS) will be standard on the LS 600h L and an option on the LS 460 L. VGRS optimizes the steering gear ratio according to vehicle speed to help enhance responsiveness and driver control. VGRS also partners with VDIM, making minor adjustments to front-wheel angle for improved control in challenging road conditions.
Together these technologies make up an intelligently designed, logically conceived vehicle that helps to provide a level of confidence and control never before experienced.
The styling on the new LS begins with a daring design language that shatters the myth that luxury sedans must be sedate and understated. A result of the recent design direction Lexus deems L-finesse, the new LS vehicles are the crowning touch to a fully restyled car lineup, which already includes the GS, IS and ES sedans.
The L-finesse design philosophy has its roots in creating a balance of contrasting elements. The new LS encompasses this direction with its bold look, style and personality—both vivid and forceful while at the same time warm, inviting and contemporary. With a pulled-back hood, characteristic of the new Lexus look, low-to-the- ground stance and elegantly sculpted and streamlined body contours, the LS emphasizes simplicity and style in a stunning, modern package.
#2751 of 3322 Re: NEW INFORMATION [cyclone4]
Sep 11, 2006 (4:29 pm)
Lexus loves using the word dynamic. I've seen it so often over the years. This year we have dynamic radar cruise control and now we have dynamic rerouting (via traffic update system). Meanwhile we're all still waiting for the dynamic price.
#2752 of 3322 Re: NEW INFORMATION [ljflx]
Sep 11, 2006 (4:39 pm)
don't forget Vehicle Dynamics Integrated Management (VDIM) system