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#2526 of 3322 Re: More reviews of the LS460 [oac]-LS should price head-to-head with 7,A8 [stevekilburn] [oac] [garyh1] [oac] [garyh1] [oac] by garyh1

Aug 29, 2006 (7:40 am)

Replying to: oac (Aug 28, 2006 11:43 pm)
But, a consolation is that the MY 2008 releases will include AWD on the 460, and maybe Lexus will permit the sport trim by then as well...
 
That's what I thought. If I had to guess now, I would say my next car will be an '09 AWD SWB LS460, with Sport/Touring package if available. By that time my current LS will be 4 years old, and prices on the AWD SWB model should stabilize - at about $85K if Steve is right!

#2527 of 3322 Tomb Raider by tagman

Aug 29, 2006 (8:27 am)

Replying to: dewey (Aug 28, 2006 8:55 pm)
Sure the LS has always been a quiet car, but there is too much spin surrounding the "quiet" of the new LS460, IMO. Why do I say that?
 
How about the fact that the Lexus Chief engineer Satoru Maruyamano says "the sound levels in the new car are about the same as before" . . .
  
So . . . it turns out that there isn't really any improvement in "quiet" according to Lexus' own chief engineer, but, as he explains, they have focused on changing the characteristics of some of the sounds, such as the ever-popular sound of the door when it closes.
  
Again, this is not to infer that the sound isn't respectfully quiet in the new LS, but all the hype has been that it is going to be some sort of super-quiet breakthrough . . . and in REALITY . . . the chief engineer himself says it is about the same as before.
  
Bottom line . . . no marked difference than before . . . at least according to Lexus, and not according to the tomb raider.
  
TagMan

#2528 of 3322 Re: Tomb Raider [tagman] by ljflx

Aug 29, 2006 (9:02 am)

Replying to: tagman (Aug 29, 2006 8:27 am)
Tagman - I don't remember reading that Lexus was putting a spin on quietness. The chief engineer would be towing the party line if a new level of quietness was the name of the game. They've been knocked for making the car so quiet to begin with so why go even quieter?

#2529 of 3322 Re: Tomb Raider [tagman] by oac

Aug 29, 2006 (9:30 am)

Replying to: tagman (Aug 29, 2006 8:27 am)
Again, this is not to infer that the sound isn't respectfully quiet in the new LS, but all the hype has been that it is going to be some sort of super-quiet breakthrough . . . and in REALITY . . . the chief engineer himself says it is about the same as before.
 
So who exactly was "hyping" a super quiet LS460 ? Methinks this is much ado about nothing from some critics looking for something to complain/gloat about. A luxury car should be quiet, that goes without saying... so implying the LS460 is as quiet as the LS430 says nothing. Both are quiet. Which is quieter between an LS and its competitors ? That is what counts, not between two versions of LS's...
 
I think the comments been made here and those been made elsewhere needs to be taken together to form the balance of these opinions. Titling the post as "Tomb raider" within the LS forum is plainly ridiculous.... The S, 7 and even A8 are all super quiet, so why bash the LS for its level of quietness if not to find faults regardless ? This double-speak must end sometime, cos its reeks of bias...

#2530 of 3322 Re: Tomb Raider [ljflx] by tagman

Aug 29, 2006 (9:35 am)

Replying to: ljflx (Aug 29, 2006 9:02 am)
lj - Of course I could be mistaken here, but I've been under the impression that the press release claimed new levels of quietness, and that there is a lot of focus on this . . . and now we have the "tomb", etc.
 
But, I do know and have acknowledeged that the car does deserve credit for its quiet nature, regardless. I am not in any way attempting to cheat the vehicle of credit that it rightly derserves.
 
My contention is that any reports that infer it is much quieter than the previous model are contrary to Lexus' own chief engineer's statement . . . that's all.
 
As the dust settles, I'm looking for a "balanced" perspective on this new LS . . . and a balance beam needs two sides to function properly.
 
Hope that clarifies.
 
TagMan

#2531 of 3322 Re: Tomb Raider [oac] by tagman

Aug 29, 2006 (9:42 am)

Replying to: oac (Aug 29, 2006 9:30 am)
Or is the S, 7 or A8 not quiet cars as well? So why the focus on the LS's "quiet"-ness ???
 
oac - c,mon now . . . the reason is the same as to focus on ALL attributes of the '07 LS. . . we are dealing with a NEW model here, and it will be compared to its predecessor as well as the competition . . . that is only natural.
 
TM

#2532 of 3322 Re: Tomb Raider [tagman] by nexuslexus

Aug 29, 2006 (9:48 am)

Replying to: tagman (Aug 29, 2006 9:35 am)
The lexus press releases, at least the latest one, say nothing about the level of quietness on the new LS.

#2533 of 3322 Re: Tomb Raider [tagman] by oac

Aug 29, 2006 (10:04 am)

Replying to: tagman (Aug 29, 2006 9:42 am)
...the reason is the same as to focus on ALL attributes of the '07 LS. . . we are dealing with a NEW model here, and it will be compared to its predecessor as well as the competition . . . that is only natural.
 
Well then compare it to the competition and give those features equal coverage in the comparisons. Is the S550 quiet ? Is the 750i quiet ? These are NEW models too... Why not spend as much time on these cars as well ? There are far more great things about this new LS460 than just being quiet ? Surely....
 
And just in case you'd like MORE features in this new model, here are a series of videos to watch...
 
http://www.nihoncarandbike.com/news-330-.html

#2534 of 3322 Re: Tomb Raider [oac] by tagman

Aug 29, 2006 (10:24 am)

Replying to: oac (Aug 29, 2006 10:04 am)
Well then compare it to the competition and give those features equal coverage.
 
Since you don't visit the HELM forum, where we CAN compare and discuss the LS as it contrasts to these other vehicles, what do you expect? According to one of the HOST's recent posts, that is the best place to do that, not here.
 
I recently posted that there are more important features than a "tomb with 19 speakers and self-parking" on the HELM forum, but how would you know?
 
There are far more great things about this new LS460 than just being quiet ?
 
True, and that's why I didn't write the "tomb" article or post the reference to it above in number 2521.
 
TagMan

#2535 of 3322 Re: Tomb Raider [tagman] by kirstie_h HOST

Aug 29, 2006 (10:29 am)

Replying to: tagman (Aug 29, 2006 10:24 am)
Correct. We're not doing comparisons in this discussion. That's what HELM is for. If you choose not to visit that discussion, I can't help you! This isn't the alternate location for HELM comparisons... sorry.

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