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Re: LS600hl AWD system [nexuslexus] by nvbanker
Aug 10, 2006 (8:38 pm)
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Replying to: nexuslexus (Aug 10, 2006 7:45 pm)

Like an old Jeep? That's sounds like a turn off. Can't be....
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Re: LS600hl AWD system [nvbanker] by nexuslexus
Aug 11, 2006 (4:23 am)
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Replying to: nvbanker (Aug 10, 2006 8:38 pm)

The quattro system on Audis is mechanical... which is supposedly better, so I don't really think it would be a turn off. Then again, I don't really know what they mean mechanical vs. electronic.
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Re: LS600hl AWD system [nexuslexus] by nvbanker
Aug 11, 2006 (10:01 am)
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Replying to: nexuslexus (Aug 11, 2006 4:23 am)

I don't either - but this I know. If it's on an Audi, it's not "maintenance free". It may work splendidly, when it works. I guess somebody here needs to enlighten us as to how a mechanical AWD system works. I assume, it maintains ratios of power to all wheels, all the time. Without an electronic brain component, how can it redistribute power by need?
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Re: LS600hl AWD system [nvbanker] by nexuslexus
Aug 11, 2006 (11:29 am)
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Replying to: nvbanker (Aug 11, 2006 10:01 am)

The real reason i am concerned (if you can call it that) is that this "new" system may hinder reliability. I certainly wouldn't want to see Lexus taking chances with the reliability of their flagship, but I was already burned by another first year Toyota product (the Sienna in 2004) which was significantly less reliable its first year. Normally Lexus cars are just as reliable in their first model year as in later model years, and I hope that remains the case with the Ls600hl.
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Re: New information on LS600hL pricing [stevekilburn] by atlas7
Aug 11, 2006 (12:45 pm)
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Replying to: stevekilburn (Aug 08, 2006 1:48 pm)

Who cares about stature? I will take a lower priced Lexus any day...don't raise those prices for the sake of "stature", geez.
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LS 460 should be priced head-to-head with germans by stevekilburn
Aug 11, 2006 (3:57 pm)
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Replying to: atlas7 (Aug 11, 2006 12:45 pm)

As I have been saying earlier, LS 460 and LS 460L should be priced head-to-head with Audi A8 at least. The sales will fall a notch but the revenues will remain stable or increase slightly.
 
In other words as of today
 
1. LS 460 = $65-67K at least
2. LS 460L = $70-72K at least
 
Lexus will have to discard cut-rate pricing in a gradual way so that it can compete with germans on an equal footing globally. It should gradually raise the pricing to compete with 7-series over next 4-5 years and keep the technological edge.
 
Keeping the price down may work for value models like the Toyotas but in Luxury arena we need premium pricing.
 
If a great product is value-priced compared to its competitors it casts a negative psychological influence on prospective customers in well developed markets like US, Europe and Japan.
 
Please remember that the original aim of Lexus LS to provide value back in 1990 was to gain market share through cut-rate pricing and give the customers a taste of Lexus. The value pricing or cut-rate pricing in itself was not the end goal. it was a starting point at least in my opinion.
 
Now, after 17 years if LS continues to be offered at 21% discount compared to Audi A8 and 45% discount compared to S550 then it will generate a negative subliminal effect on prospective buyers.
 
The goal now should be to establish LS as a global flagship competitor to S-class. And premium pricing at least matching Audi A8 and then gradually raising it to 7-series is the way to go.
 
I do understand your point that Lexus should offer you the car loaded with value, but I am afraid it will be bad for Lexus brand as a whole.
 
Steve
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Something is cooking on Wikipedia by stevekilburn
Aug 11, 2006 (4:05 pm)
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I just noticed that on googling Lexus LS and other german brands, the results from wikipedia are highly ranked.
 
Upon visiting these wikipedia webpages, I noticed how well written are the articles on german cars like BMW 7-series and S-class as well as Porsche.
 
On the other hand articles on lexus LS etc are very poorly written.
 
It seems that the PR departments of european brands are very active and alert, whereas the PR department of Lexus and Lexus enthusiasts are oblivious to the urgent need of revamping these articles on wikipedia.
 
Wikipedia is here to stay and is getting ever more prominent day by day.
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the gospel of luxury pricing. by stevekilburn
Aug 11, 2006 (4:23 pm)
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the gospel of luxury pricing. by stevekilburn
Aug 11, 2006 (4:29 pm)
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How a Luxury brand should evolve its pricing strategy:
 
*1. Stage1 : Offer more for Less. example, LS 400 in 1990.
*2. Stage2: Offer more for same: this is where lexus should be.
 
*3. Stage3: offer Same for Same: example Audi A8 and BMW 7-series are very close in pricing offering similar contents at similar pricing. Audi is slightly less expensive because of less horsepower and less gadgets.
 
* Stage 4: Offer same for more: This is where S-class is.
It offers similar horsepower, gadgets, comfort, prestige, for a lot more money because it is well established. More so than BMW and Audi.
 
Lexus should evolve from stage 1 to stage 2 now and price its products head-to head with Audi A8 at least.
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Re: LS 460 should be priced head-to-head with germans [stevekilburn] by atlas7
Aug 11, 2006 (4:43 pm)
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Replying to: stevekilburn (Aug 11, 2006 3:57 pm)

Disagree completely. Lexus can build a better car for less because their labor rates are less than the Germans, who have extremely high labor costs. Lexus value is and always will be that they build a car as good or better than the higher priced competition. Lexus will certainly increase prices as their cars get more Luxo and Power. But to price them the same as the Germans for the sake of prestige is ill advised. You keep referring to Audi? Who the heck cares about Audi, not Lexus, that's for sure. Let the other guys worry about Lexus, not vice versa.

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