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Re: New information on LS600hL pricing [oac] by sidgriggs
Aug 09, 2006 (5:12 am)
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Replying to: oac (Aug 07, 2006 6:03 pm)

Yesterday, I called Lexus 800 number and was told the introduction date for LS460 will be sometime in October, but an exact day has not been set. Can't wait to see them!
Has anyone been to the docks in Calif to see if they are arriving yet? Before the 04's intro date they were stockpiled at the docks in Long Beach, then our allotment was put on rail to my part of the country (DFW).
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For what it's worth by cyclone4
Aug 09, 2006 (1:02 pm)
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My dealer informed me today that they think the basic LS460 (SWB) will start out in the mid 60s K. A starting point in the 70s K would be very much out of line.
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LS600hl AWD system by nexuslexus
Aug 10, 2006 (7:45 pm)
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I had forgotten to bring this up:
 
The Midwest manager I had spoken with had said something about the ls600hl having mechanical AWD vs. electronic AWD, and he said this is a first for Lexus.
 
Does anybody else know what type of AWD are on the other Lexus models (the RX330/400h AWD, the IS250/GS300 AWD, LX/GX470 AWD)
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Re: LS600hl AWD system [nexuslexus] by nvbanker
Aug 10, 2006 (8:38 pm)
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Replying to: nexuslexus (Aug 10, 2006 7:45 pm)

Like an old Jeep? That's sounds like a turn off. Can't be....
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Re: LS600hl AWD system [nvbanker] by nexuslexus
Aug 11, 2006 (4:23 am)
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Replying to: nvbanker (Aug 10, 2006 8:38 pm)

The quattro system on Audis is mechanical... which is supposedly better, so I don't really think it would be a turn off. Then again, I don't really know what they mean mechanical vs. electronic.
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Re: LS600hl AWD system [nexuslexus] by nvbanker
Aug 11, 2006 (10:01 am)
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Replying to: nexuslexus (Aug 11, 2006 4:23 am)

I don't either - but this I know. If it's on an Audi, it's not "maintenance free". It may work splendidly, when it works. I guess somebody here needs to enlighten us as to how a mechanical AWD system works. I assume, it maintains ratios of power to all wheels, all the time. Without an electronic brain component, how can it redistribute power by need?
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Re: LS600hl AWD system [nvbanker] by nexuslexus
Aug 11, 2006 (11:29 am)
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Replying to: nvbanker (Aug 11, 2006 10:01 am)

The real reason i am concerned (if you can call it that) is that this "new" system may hinder reliability. I certainly wouldn't want to see Lexus taking chances with the reliability of their flagship, but I was already burned by another first year Toyota product (the Sienna in 2004) which was significantly less reliable its first year. Normally Lexus cars are just as reliable in their first model year as in later model years, and I hope that remains the case with the Ls600hl.
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Re: New information on LS600hL pricing [stevekilburn] by atlas7
Aug 11, 2006 (12:45 pm)
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Replying to: stevekilburn (Aug 08, 2006 1:48 pm)

Who cares about stature? I will take a lower priced Lexus any day...don't raise those prices for the sake of "stature", geez.
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LS 460 should be priced head-to-head with germans by stevekilburn
Aug 11, 2006 (3:57 pm)
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Replying to: atlas7 (Aug 11, 2006 12:45 pm)

As I have been saying earlier, LS 460 and LS 460L should be priced head-to-head with Audi A8 at least. The sales will fall a notch but the revenues will remain stable or increase slightly.
 
In other words as of today
 
1. LS 460 = $65-67K at least
2. LS 460L = $70-72K at least
 
Lexus will have to discard cut-rate pricing in a gradual way so that it can compete with germans on an equal footing globally. It should gradually raise the pricing to compete with 7-series over next 4-5 years and keep the technological edge.
 
Keeping the price down may work for value models like the Toyotas but in Luxury arena we need premium pricing.
 
If a great product is value-priced compared to its competitors it casts a negative psychological influence on prospective customers in well developed markets like US, Europe and Japan.
 
Please remember that the original aim of Lexus LS to provide value back in 1990 was to gain market share through cut-rate pricing and give the customers a taste of Lexus. The value pricing or cut-rate pricing in itself was not the end goal. it was a starting point at least in my opinion.
 
Now, after 17 years if LS continues to be offered at 21% discount compared to Audi A8 and 45% discount compared to S550 then it will generate a negative subliminal effect on prospective buyers.
 
The goal now should be to establish LS as a global flagship competitor to S-class. And premium pricing at least matching Audi A8 and then gradually raising it to 7-series is the way to go.
 
I do understand your point that Lexus should offer you the car loaded with value, but I am afraid it will be bad for Lexus brand as a whole.
 
Steve
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Something is cooking on Wikipedia by stevekilburn
Aug 11, 2006 (4:05 pm)
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I just noticed that on googling Lexus LS and other german brands, the results from wikipedia are highly ranked.
 
Upon visiting these wikipedia webpages, I noticed how well written are the articles on german cars like BMW 7-series and S-class as well as Porsche.
 
On the other hand articles on lexus LS etc are very poorly written.
 
It seems that the PR departments of european brands are very active and alert, whereas the PR department of Lexus and Lexus enthusiasts are oblivious to the urgent need of revamping these articles on wikipedia.
 
Wikipedia is here to stay and is getting ever more prominent day by day.

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