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Re: New information on LS600hL pricing [oac] by stevekilburn
Aug 08, 2006 (1:48 pm)
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Replying to: oac (Aug 07, 2006 6:03 pm)

Hello Oac
 
1. The difference b/w SWB and LWB will not be more than $5K.
Thats the case with A8, 7-series and XJ. That means low to mid 60s for SWB and high 60s to low 70s for LWB.
 
2. A jump from 57K to 70K as base price for LS is not probable. No manufacturer including such imperious brands like Ferrari, Porsche, mercedes raise their prices by more than 10-15% on a new edition.
 
3. This means $57K X 1.15 = ~65K for SWB and $69K for LWB. Although I wish LS matches Audi A8 at least over next 2-3 years by progressively raising base pricing. Their sales will go down a notch, but the long term benefits of head-to-head pricing are indisputable and will raise Lexus' stature.
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Re: New information on LS600hL pricing [stevekilburn] by oac
Aug 08, 2006 (3:03 pm)
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Replying to: stevekilburn (Aug 08, 2006 1:48 pm)

Steve:
 
Welcome back ! Please stay and don't disappear OK... I like your posts and you enrich this board by many of your informed posts....
 
I agree 100% with you. Carnaught is also probably right in that the price my dealer left for me has to include "uplifts" by the dealer... Or maybe he's trying to get me thinking in that range early... Regardless, I think the SWB will be in the mid-60s for a lightly loaded model - Base + ML/Nav (no frills). If you want to load it all up, it may be near or around $70K. The LWB should easily top $70K, and should move to the high 70s tops.
 
600hL should top at the mid-90 range (all features on the LS460 LWB + LED beams, leather-stitched dash, V10, HSD). Certainly NOT going to be anywhere close to $100K, IMO... I think Lexus will sell tons of the 600hL if that car can be had at the mid-80 range... Maybe Lexus wants exclusivity (high price) or market share (low price). We'll see which direction the LS Series takes. October will be here soon enough.
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Good job, Steve! by drfill
Aug 08, 2006 (3:50 pm)
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   You save my breath very nicely!
 
   The LWB should START at $70k.
    
   The 600hL should be $1 less than the S550! If they sell more than 2500 units, I'll consider it a success.
  
   DrFill
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Re: New information on LS600hL pricing [oac] by sidgriggs
Aug 09, 2006 (5:12 am)
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Replying to: oac (Aug 07, 2006 6:03 pm)

Yesterday, I called Lexus 800 number and was told the introduction date for LS460 will be sometime in October, but an exact day has not been set. Can't wait to see them!
Has anyone been to the docks in Calif to see if they are arriving yet? Before the 04's intro date they were stockpiled at the docks in Long Beach, then our allotment was put on rail to my part of the country (DFW).
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For what it's worth by cyclone4
Aug 09, 2006 (1:02 pm)
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My dealer informed me today that they think the basic LS460 (SWB) will start out in the mid 60s K. A starting point in the 70s K would be very much out of line.
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LS600hl AWD system by nexuslexus
Aug 10, 2006 (7:45 pm)
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I had forgotten to bring this up:
 
The Midwest manager I had spoken with had said something about the ls600hl having mechanical AWD vs. electronic AWD, and he said this is a first for Lexus.
 
Does anybody else know what type of AWD are on the other Lexus models (the RX330/400h AWD, the IS250/GS300 AWD, LX/GX470 AWD)
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Re: LS600hl AWD system [nexuslexus] by nvbanker
Aug 10, 2006 (8:38 pm)
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Replying to: nexuslexus (Aug 10, 2006 7:45 pm)

Like an old Jeep? That's sounds like a turn off. Can't be....
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Re: LS600hl AWD system [nvbanker] by nexuslexus
Aug 11, 2006 (4:23 am)
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Replying to: nvbanker (Aug 10, 2006 8:38 pm)

The quattro system on Audis is mechanical... which is supposedly better, so I don't really think it would be a turn off. Then again, I don't really know what they mean mechanical vs. electronic.
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Re: LS600hl AWD system [nexuslexus] by nvbanker
Aug 11, 2006 (10:01 am)
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Replying to: nexuslexus (Aug 11, 2006 4:23 am)

I don't either - but this I know. If it's on an Audi, it's not "maintenance free". It may work splendidly, when it works. I guess somebody here needs to enlighten us as to how a mechanical AWD system works. I assume, it maintains ratios of power to all wheels, all the time. Without an electronic brain component, how can it redistribute power by need?
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Re: LS600hl AWD system [nvbanker] by nexuslexus
Aug 11, 2006 (11:29 am)
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Replying to: nvbanker (Aug 11, 2006 10:01 am)

The real reason i am concerned (if you can call it that) is that this "new" system may hinder reliability. I certainly wouldn't want to see Lexus taking chances with the reliability of their flagship, but I was already burned by another first year Toyota product (the Sienna in 2004) which was significantly less reliable its first year. Normally Lexus cars are just as reliable in their first model year as in later model years, and I hope that remains the case with the Ls600hl.

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