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BMW M3, Coupe, Convertible
#59 of 204 Re: [shanti1]
Mar 08, 2006 (10:53 pm)
He launched in a speech praising the SMG but he said that manual would not be an option.
That is NOT cool.
I've been seriously considering buying an M3 at some point, but I've been waiting for a V8 version. That was one of the reasons why I chose the S4 over the current M3 when I bought my '06 S4 about 3 months ago. That V8 growls, especially when it's reving at over 5K rpm's. The I6 is whiny and I couldn't get over it while I was test driving the car. I test drove it twice just to make sure.
I bet everyone here is super excited about the possibility of a V8 M3, I know I am. This news that there will be no manual option has me more than a little worried though. Also, are there pictures? Is there any official or semi official news? Specs? I tend to take a "I'll believe it when I see it" attitude towards any proposed new car. I asked the BMW dealer about the V8 model in December while I was looking and he was very elusive and said it was so far off there was no reason why I should not buy the current model and trade it in later (figures).
BMW would be ill advised to not offer a manual option as they could lose customers in the process. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but don't most of us here
prefer demand a manual tranny? People who take driving seriously seem to favor manuals and I think it's safe to say that most people driving S4's and M3's are serious drivers. The reason BMW may be doing this probably has everything to do with gas mileage which will also translate to a smaller gas guzzler tax. If there's no manual option though you can probably count me out. Meanwhile, Audi owns Lamborghini and is tapping their V10's as we speak and no manual M3 means that the 2008 RS6 may be my next new ride if it gets approved for production. The thought of a 550bhp V10 has me drooling. The M3 really needs a V8 though and the sooner the better. Even with a SMG I'll check one out for sure. People who own M3's with the SMG seem to be fine with it, so I'm definitely curious.
#60 of 204 MT at crossroads
Mar 09, 2006 (5:18 am)
Gotta stay hopeful. I donít think the book has been completely written on SMG vs MT. The pressure on both manufacturers and buyers comes from technology and the lofty image of F1 racing. 9 out of ten Ferraris have the sequential gearbox, so the tendency is to think ďwe need to be cool and do sequential too.Ē After all, itís faster albeit marginally but this is insignificant on the road. As a matter of fact, I think the ONLY place where it has significance is in professional racing where every fraction counts. This isnít the case in amateur racing because the level of skill and equipment vary too much. In many cases a good amateur racer with inferior equipment will suck the doors off the guy with the faster car whose skills are questionable.
I donít hear too many Porsche track rats clamoring for sequential. 9 out of 10 Porsches are sold with MT. The Carrera GT has only MT as does the hot new Z06, and the 07 M5 is coming with manual because of pressure from American buyers. There seem to be lots of people who bought cars with sequentials and donít like them. I think BMW is trying to foist SMG on the buyers in an effort to appear current. But this will all come out in the wash. The 07 M5 MT option is a great sign. We may yet see a new three-pedal M3.
In my opinion, itís only a matter time when everyone realizes that the transcendental driving experience, the spiritual connection to the drivetrain that can only be provided by the stick and human clutch cannot be replaced, the insignificant edge in speed be damned. Porsche, their philosophy, and their loyal following are very important here. They carry the torch.
#61 of 204 Re: New Design for BMW M3 [baserunner]
Mar 16, 2006 (7:15 am)
Having seen the factory supplied material for the new M3 (Yes, it has been "Bangled"), I would jump at the $65K version on offer. It will only increase in value when the new one arrives.
The new model is larger, heavier and offers no adequate additional power. It appears aimed a a broader, less demanding buyer who intends to use it as a daily drive With the kids!
The top BMW privateer race team in the US is already agonizing about how one goes about making this into a race car, or even looking like one. The 06 M3, as you likely know, is a faintly veiled, street legal race machine right off the dealer's floor. This coming model appears to be the first misstep BMW has ever made in the development of this modern classic. Breaks my heart.
At the same time, of course, there is rumor of a new M version Z Coupe (picture the Z3 M Coupe, which was the highest performance road BMW ever offered to the public, though its appearance, "the bread truck", bothered some). At 340 BHP and the C-pillar stiffness to the chassis, nothing could touch it. No word on the cost of this hypothetical as yet, though. Besides, if $65K seems too steep, go test a Porsche of comparable performance (at roughly $110K) and the M3 will just jump into your car park!
Mar 25, 2006 (1:38 pm)
No MT, no M3
#63 of 204 SMG is good for me
Mar 31, 2006 (11:11 pm)
Am I the only one out there brave enough
to admit..I can't drive stick shift?
I tried several times and found the whole
clutch concept retarded. I mean..we should
be past this primitive clutch thing by now.
I welcome the SMG with wide open thumbs!
#64 of 204 Re: manual transmission / clutch [jmaroun]
Apr 02, 2006 (8:09 pm)
>"I tried several times and found the whole
clutch concept retarded. I mean..we should
be past this primitive clutch thing"
Says who ...
Since you do not drive manual - you cannot pronounce yourself on this, nor could other drivers be interested whether MT appears to your limited experience as "retarded" or not. It is a connection with the car (and an understanding of how it works) that comes strictly from the driving experience, a connection with the road which is alien to you. You have not experienced or enjoyed what we are talking about. So it will be of all too little a value how someone like you finds the concept.
If you buy an M3 but you are not able to drive manual you buy it so you look cool inside it, but deep down you are not a sportscar driver. Buy a sedan if you are only able to enjoy automatic. I hope you realize it is far beyond your competence to comment on manual transmission.
#65 of 204 True that!
Apr 02, 2006 (8:38 pm)
I know a lot of girls who roll in 'Vettes!
If I knew one who could drive stick......
But that's all pie in the sky.
I think BMW learned their lesson on the M5 (why do I feel like I'm repeating myself?).
#66 of 204 Re: manual transmission / clutch [shanti1]
Apr 04, 2006 (5:34 pm)
BMW engineers themselves have decided that SMG is not
only better than manual transmission, but it is so superior that NOT ONLY put it in the M5, but they eliminated your beloved stick altogether. That is a Power statement by BMW, not me. They know better than I, and certainly YOU given your ridiculous assumptions, how best to connect with the car and they've concluded that SMG is better. Having worked with German engineers in Munich, I know very well that such decisions are based upon FACTS.
All formula one sports cars today use some form of SMG..and these are sports cars..so your statements are ridiculous and baseless.
#67 of 204 hold up jmouron
Apr 05, 2006 (8:02 pm)
If you like SMG then more power to you. Most enthusiasts that I know and read prefer 3 pedals as well as a lot of F1 drivers most notably M schumaker of Ferrari [excuse the probable misspelling of his name] would prefer a return to a traditional manual for the reasons stated by most manual fans here. A more connected experience with the car.
Also for your information,BMW has decided to bring a manual M5 starting soon due mostly from pressure coming from "enthusiasts" and the fact that most auto journalists bash SMG. So it seems that the 3 pedal fans have spoken..