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#167 of 204 2008,.. an enthusiast's disappointment! (Continued) by jmaroun

Jan 03, 2008 (1:36 am)

I'll try to conclude the above evolution of thought, that will no doubt still go on for whatever reason makes an auto enthusiast tick, by asking the following: How could all these great auto manufacturers, all’of’em I say; F up royally in one way or another??? There were so many this time! How could the M division diverge away from the ideal I thought they knew best?? Instead of a driver's car, they produced a well designed albeit irresponsible muscle bound GT cruiser. And almost everyone else followed suit!
 
Nissan’s GTR and BMW’s 335i are exempt from the brunt of the above question, but as I’ve described, they have big flaws as well. I suppose the 335’s toned down look was an intentional attempt to protect the E92 M3? The GTR’s looks are understandably different since the car reflects, unapologetically, Japanese culture.
 
For the rest, the only answer I could come up with thus far is that the manufacturers only provided what they, to the best of their knowledge, thought the average consumer wanted. And who can blame them given monster SUV demand and ever growing lust for more brute hp. There’s just an embarrassing obsession for numbers like 0-60, 1/4mi, and oh yeah you can’t leave out the all mighty “Ring” time. I guess, the lust for these numbers have distracted folks from an ideal centered around the “driving experience”. Why should manufacturers provide a sophisticated yet simple driver's machine to the masses when crude unsophisticated cowboy mentality seems to be the trend. You see the over exuberant lust for super-sized everything everywhere from fries to carpet bombs to Hummers.
 
So, I bid all well this 2008. Enjoy your super dooper V8's and fancy computerized trannys. I’m sure you’ll make plenty of like-minded friends at gas stations. I have no
Idea what I’ll be doing in less than a year when my 330i lease is up.
 
Joseph
San Diego

#168 of 204 Re: 2008,.. an enthusiast's disappointment! (Continued) [jmaroun] by claires HOST

Jan 03, 2008 (12:47 pm)

Replying to: jmaroun (Jan 03, 2008 1:36 am)
Looks like a good start for a blog -- have you considered writing one here?
 
http://www.carspace.com/blogs/
 
If you decide to, please send me a link so that I can bookmark it.
 
ClaireS, Host
Auto News & Views | Coupes & Convertibles

#169 of 204 Re: 2008,.. an enthusiast's disappointment! [jmaroun] by westgmn

Jan 06, 2008 (5:08 am)

Replying to: jmaroun (Jan 03, 2008 12:59 am)
have you test driven any of these cars?

#170 of 204 Re: 2008,.. an enthusiast's disappointment! [westgmn] by fedlawman

Jan 06, 2008 (8:47 pm)

Replying to: westgmn (Jan 04, 2005 9:10 pm)
Are you kidding? I get the impression he doesn't even have a driver's license yet.

#171 of 204 Re: 2008,.. an enthusiast's disappointment! [fedlawman] by roadburner

Jan 06, 2008 (9:09 pm)

Replying to: fedlawman (Jan 06, 2008 8:47 pm)
Are you kidding? I get the impression he doesn't even have a driver's license yet.
 
Well, the search function is a wonderful thing... Here's an excerpt from one of his earlier posts:
 
What I want is to be able to safely attack turns aggressively and to be able to accellerate quickly from rest or at lower speeds.
 
It sounds like dialogue from one of my son's Initial D manga comics(though I must admit that they ARE kind of fun to read).

#172 of 204 Re: 2008,.. an enthusiast's disappointment! [roadburner] by fedlawman

Jan 06, 2008 (10:52 pm)

Replying to: roadburner (Jan 06, 2008 9:09 pm)
LOL...I see I'm not the only one to think that way.
 
Actually, after I read his post, my first thought was that he should hide his car magazines before his homeroom teacher catches him and gives him detention - because then he'd either have to catch the late bus or call his mom to come pick him up.

#173 of 204 test drive by westgmn

Jan 07, 2008 (6:24 am)

Good because i tend to believe a well informed opinion regarding cars also includes a test drive , not regurgitating magazine exercepts or following the media hype

#174 of 204 Re: test drive [westgmn] by roadburner

Jan 07, 2008 (9:01 am)

Replying to: westgmn (Jan 07, 2008 6:24 am)
i tend to believe a well informed opinion regarding cars also includes a test drive , not regurgitating magazine exercepts or following the media hype
 
I think that enthusiast magazine tests and evaluations can be helpful, but you need to know the editorial slant of the magazine as well as that of the author. Unfortunately, most "experts" tend to forget all that and simply want to use the buff books to play a game of "mine's bigger" by comparing accelleration, braking and skidpad/slalom numbers...

#175 of 204 Re: test drive [roadburner] by fedlawman

Jan 07, 2008 (12:25 pm)

Replying to: roadburner (Jan 07, 2008 9:01 am)
A very astute poster on another forum (mikeebear) put it best (I've been waiting for a chance to pass it on).
 
"You can't look at cars like Pokemon cards, where each car has its own set of "stats" and "numbers" attached to it. They are to be driven and your analysis should come from how they drive."

#176 of 204 Re: test drive [fedlawman] by roadburner

Jan 07, 2008 (12:36 pm)

Replying to: fedlawman (Jan 07, 2008 12:25 pm)
"You can't look at cars like Pokemon cards, where each car has its own set of "stats" and "numbers" attached to it. They are to be driven and your analysis should come from how they drive."
 
But then how do you pass the time in Study Hall???

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