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I'm looking at a 2006 M3 convertible that the sales manager built and drove. It has 1,800 miles on it. It is silver grey w/ the awesome cinnamon leather (this combo was special order; it is not a combo in the catalog). It a 6-speed with cold package, lumbar, xenon, hk sound and 19" M wheels. I am having his service dept add Bluetooth (please tell me this is possible as a non-factory ordered item and with a car that does not have nav). MSRP is $63,045. I have him down to $58,000 (I believe invoice is $57,700). Lease is going to be $790/month (that was my offer or walk), 15k miles per year with $5,000 due at inception (I know... don't put money down but I always have and will do so on this one), and they have to add Bluetooth. They seem very motivated to sell it as summer is coming to an end, and it is a very lightly used demo (1,800 miles). Good deal???
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Replying to: brodsky (Sep 02, 2006 10:18 am) I would think you could do better on a used/demo M3, with 1,800 miles on it. At least in our area, September/October marks the end of convertible selling season and you are buying the tail end of the current M3 model. Not to mention that proper break in is extremely important with M3's. How many test drives were accumulated in those 1,800 miles? If it were me, I'd write them a check for $53,500 and dare them to rip it up. Last September, I did something similar on a 2005 911S Cab. I got $10k off on a brand new car, newly intorduced model, that just happened to be a late arriving 2005 instead of an identical $2,400 more expensive 2006. The fact that several local dealers told me the most they had ever discounted the 911 was $1,000 didn't dissuade me from trying - and it worked. Good luck.
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Replying to: habitat1 (Sep 05, 2006 3:30 am) What does "proper break in" on an M3 entail?
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Replying to: brodsky (Sep 09, 2006 3:21 pm) Pretty much the same thing that is required/recommended on my Porsche 911 or former Honda S2000. Namely, don't exceed certain RPM's (4,200 in the case of the 911, with a 7,200 rpm redline), don't drive the car for short distances that doesn't give the engine oil time to fully heat up and the seals, gaskets and other engine parts time to fully expand and then contract (i.e. should be driven 15-20 minutes), avoid hard accelertion when the engine isn't warm (and still keep within aforementioned rpms), don't use cruise control and vary engine speeds on highway trips, etc. The average Lexus, Toyota and GM engine doesn't require much care during break in. But high performance engines like the M3 do. And that has always been a concern of mine when I have considered used cars or worse, demos. I just have difficulty trusting that a car like the M3 has been test driven in a way that conforms to the above recommendations. When I was shopping for a Honda S2000 several years ago, a stupid salesperson threw me the keys to a brand new car and said 'let it rip". The S2000 is NOT supposed to be V-teched (exceeding 5,500 rpm) during break in and the long term performance of the car is noticably affected if it has been. So even "new" S2000's with 40-50+ miles on the odometer became off-limits for me. If the M3 you are considering was actually the personal car of the dealer, I would ask him to give you written assurance that the car was properly broken in. If I'm not mistaken, there is even a way on the M3 to download info from the engine computers as to the maximum RPM's the engine has been run at and for how long. Ask him to give you that report. My local BMW dealer refused to replace a blown engine under warranty on an M3 that had been abused during break in. Bottom line, I would not buy this car - or any "used" performance car - at a price that wasn't substantially below what I could get a new one for. I'd rather sleep at night knowing I properly broke the car in than wondering. Since you'd be leasing, maybe it's not as big a deal for you. |
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Replying to: emorexls (Aug 18, 2006 5:12 am) It would be nice if someone could update us with the latest news.  Joseph San Diego I Major Standard Equipment Adaptive Xenon Headlights Carbon Fiber Roof SMG III 7-Speed transmission with DRIVELOGIC 18" M Double Spoke Alloy Wheel 18x8F/18x9R with P235/45ZR18 Front, P265/40ZR18 Rear Performance tires. Invoice $49,117 Base Price USA Port of Entry* $53,975 Vehicle Options List Metallic paint $475 Nappa leather $1,450 Carbon fiber trim $300 Aluminum trim NC Comfort Access $500 M Multifunction Seats with Active Width Adjustment $1,900 Front Heated Seats $500 / ZCW Power Rear Sunshade $350 Head-Up Display $1,000 Navigation System w/I-Drive $2,100 Power Rear Sunshade $350 Rear Park Distance Control $350 19" M Double Spoke alloy wheel $1,750 19x8.5F/19x9.5R with P235/40ZR19 Front, P265/35ZR19 Rear Performance tires. Logic 7 sound system $1,200 SIRIUS Satellite Radio $595 High Definition Radio $500 Premium Package (ZPP) $3,100 Cold Weather Package (ZCW) $750 6-speed manual transmission NC Rear Spoiler Deletion NC |
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I just wanna know who thinks that a BMW 3.3L is a such a super high performance engine. It does have a lot in the design of the engine but I can make just as much power with a GM 2.8L in a fiero or camaro. The engines are already broken in when they are installed in the car becouse they have to drain the oil to remove excess assembly lube and check the seals and re tighten head and intake bolts. the M3 motor is the same as the 330i and the 328i just the displacement and such. Dont get me wrong i love the M3 but just don't think that some people know what they are talking about.
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Replying to: habitat1 (Aug 26, 2006 5:31 pm) well ok as an STi owner for 2 years, I can say Im fed up with the people who think my car is for 17 year old ricers. First of all, not many kids can afford that car. Secondly there is a good reason they have wet dreams about it. Simply put as far as performance goes, there are very few cars under 100Gs that can compete. And style wise, the interior and exterior is amazing for the price. As for comparing the STi to a Porsche or an M3, that is something I can do very well, since I looked at all 3 before making my descision. So let me take Habitat's comments and apply them to my car compared to his Porsche and an M3.... -Take it to the track - Thats what its made for - beat almost anything on the street: Now I dont know where he got 3.9 seconds from, but the STi goes 0-60 in somewhere between 4.6 to 4.8. It might not beat a Viper or a Z06, but it WILL beat an M3 (I already have) and most Porsches (Ive beat a couple of Carreras already). It sticks like glue to the road and inspires better road confidence than my test drive with an M3 did. Not to mention the whirring sound of the turbo spooling is sheer heaven. - look really cool / head turner: My car turns plenty of heads, and doesnt give off the "I have something to compensate for" aura that a Porsche does. However I will admit its not a chick magent, it is for people who love to drive. - take a couple of friends to the club on a Saturday night: It can fit 5 people easy, with no noticible compromise in performance. Which is good, especially if you ever consider a little something called "practicallity" - take a hot date out to dinner on a week night: Also perfect, and you can also fit the hot date's hot friends without needing to stuff someone in the cargo space. - comfortably take my mother out to dinner: and your father and uncle too... - fit a mid size surf board...: sadly the back seat doesnt go down, to increase frame rigidity, but with the money you will save over a Porsche or M3, get a beater car instead for hauling stuff. - Put a cooler in the trunk for beers....: Even if you dont play the "sports" that some people play, you can fit plenty of beer in the very roomy trunk. But if you prefer playing 'hole in one' with all your male friends you can do that too. (sorry I love to rag on golf) - fit all my groceries in the trunk after going to Costco: once again if you don't like your cars with "bonnets", and know what practical is, then the problem with that Porsche is obvious Oh and did I mention it is all wheel drive, unlike the M3 and some Porsche? Well when it came down to it, I thought I could either spend upwards of 70Gs on a Porsche or M3, or I could spend 30Gs on an STi, a car which is specifically rated among the top ten best value-holding cars. If you are the kind of person that likes spending 40 grand on a name, then by all means the Porsche or Beamer is the way to go. However if you can find better uses for 40Gs than sinking it into a car that will lose that value in 4 years, then consider an STi, or an S2000 if you want a convertible. Personally, I took that 40Gs, got my wife a nice new car, remodeled my kitchen and bathrooms, and had money left to spare. But hey, If you are filthy rich and dont live in the real world, I guess that isnt a problem. |
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Replying to: diablo_negro (Nov 07, 2006 12:19 pm) As I see it, there is absolutely no comparison: BMW M3 (E46): 3.2L I6, 333hp, 262ft-lb Chevy Camaro (LB8): 2.8L V6, 135hp, 165ft-lb
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Replying to: zeppelin2 (Dec 23, 2006 3:06 pm) http://auto-future.blogspot.com/2007/01/2007-bmw-m3.html |
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I heard somewhere on the forums that in early March, there will be news. I hope so, that's only a few weeks away. Can anyone confirm this?? I'm on the waiting list at BMW of San Diego.  Joseph San Diego |
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