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Engine output equates to 412 hp and 310 lb./tq. Additionally, the engine will be a 4-liter V8, equipped with bi-VANOS and will send power through either a 3rd generation 7-speed SMG or a 6-speed manual. No word on what which transmission will come standard. Pricing, with the applicable import costs will be $53,975, a mere $5k over the current 2006 model. All the sorted details, pulled straight from the two posts can be found after the jump. Major Standard Equipment Adaptive Xenon Headlights Carbon Fiber Roof SMG III 7-Speed transmission with DRIVELOGIC 18" M Double Spoke Alloy Wheel 18x8F/18x9R with P235/45ZR18 Front, P265/40ZR18 Rear Performance tires. Invoice $49,117 Base Price USA Port of Entry* $53,975 Vehicle Options List Metallic paint $475 Nappa leather $1,450 Carbon fiber trim $300 Aluminum trim NC Comfort Access $500 M Multifunction Seats with Active Width Adjustment $1,900 Front Heated Seats $500 / ZCW Power Rear Sunshade $350 Head-Up Display $1,000 Navigation System w/I-Drive $2,100 Power Rear Sunshade $350 Rear Park Distance Control $350 19" M Double Spoke alloy wheel $1,750 19x8.5F/19x9.5R with P235/40ZR19 Front, P265/35ZR19 Rear Performance tires. Logic 7 sound system $1,200 SIRIUS Satellite Radio $595 High Definition Radio $500 Premium Package (ZPP) $3,100 Cold Weather Package (ZCW) $750 6-speed manual transmission NC Rear Spoiler Deletion NC
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Replying to: jmaroun (Aug 02, 2006 6:57 pm) I seriously considered the M3 a couple of years ago and test drove both the 6-speed and SMG. The former was exceptional, the latter was not, IMO. The SMG hesitated slightly from a dead stop and made my usual left hand turns more exciting than they should have been. I believe BMW revised the SMG (SMG-II), but I know of others who had the same complaints I did. Why anyone with a functioning left foot and right hand wouldn't go for the manual 6-speed is beyond me - maybe too much Game Boy as a kid? When I test drove the M5 more recently, I was similarly turned off by the 7-speed SMG. The previous M5 was a great car, and only offered in a 6-speed manual. The new one seemed heavy and pondorous by comparison and less sporty. They endowed it with a great high revving V10 engine, but require you to go through i-drive to access it's full 500 horsepower. What kind of BS is that? I ended up buying a new 911S Cabriolet last September and keeping my Acura TL 6-speed. Great move. I've put 9,000 miles on the 911 since and less than 3,000 on the TL (mostly in the winter). My kids fit in the back of the 911 almost as well as they would have in the M3. I may someday get that BMW M-car, but with i-drive and SMG's, BMW appears to be trying to make it less likely. |
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Replying to: jmaroun (Aug 02, 2006 6:57 pm) Rocky |
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I'm wondering which it will be first and hoping for the 2 door. I wont have time to wait when my lease is up, so whatever they come out with is what I'll probably get. I've always had four doors. If I get this M3, I'd rather go all sport and drive away with two doors. This will probably be THE sportiest thing I'll ever purchase. I hope BMW will not wait too much longer before giving people a more tangible clue as to what their plans are. Waiting too long may back fire as passions may burn out. Joseph San Diego
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Replying to: jmaroun (Aug 22, 2006 12:33 am) If you get tired of waiting, and don't need much back seat space, you could also go for a 911. My daughters have logged more miles in the back seat of mine over the past year than they have in my TL. I actually considered the M3 last fall but, given that it's only a 2 door, couldn't justify buying one as a third car. The 911 makes a much better choice for that role, although it has now become my primary driver. |
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It's interesting, I've never considered the current 911 since I've always assumed it to be beyond my price range. Out of curiosity, I did some checking. As a reference, Carsdirect.com offers the following: - 06 911 coupe rwd, with NO options for 71.6k (asking price) - 06 M3 coupe with Premium and Competition package for $59.1k (MSRP), the 07/08? M3 is expected to cost roughly 5k extra so figure $65k. I know of some BMW dealers who claim they will honor whatever the 07 M3 MSRP will be. To my surprise, a rock bottom base Porche might only cost roughly $5k more compared to the estimated 07 M3 price with sports and premium package. That's not too bad of a price difference at first glance. Comparable! Wonder how the 07 M3 will fare in performance against the current base, yet legendary 911 rwd coupe. I also wonder how crude, in terms of comfort, a base 06 911 is compared to the up and coming 07 M3. I've never test driven a Porche. I know that Porche just came out with an 07 911 Turbo which goes for over $120k. That car will remain always, in my dreams. However, I can still ?realistically? wonder if there will be an 07 911 base model coming soon. That might make for another interesting (performance/price/comfort) comparison to the 07 M3? In terms of looks, the world admired aerodynamic body style of the 911 is the more beautiful (IMHO) and yet, its more or less static style over the years can be a bit bland with the wrong colors. In contrast, the up-coming M3 will boast a new body style similar to the current 06 3-series (lovely with the sports rims). I'd expect the new 07 M3 to be not as artistic as the 911's figure, but Newer looking, nevertheless. hmm, I'm thinking way too much about this stuff.. Joseph San Diego
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Replying to: jmaroun (Aug 22, 2006 6:51 pm) Comparing (speculatively) the 2007 911 to 2007 M3: Price: the 911 will be more, but how much needs to be determined. I got a significant discount on my 911S Cab last fall. When I had previously shopped M3's there was much less negotiating willingness on DC area dealers. The downside is that Porsche option lists are a mile long. If you can put aside the temptation to load it with do-dads, a base 911 should be competitive. But keep the $920 sport chrono box checked. It increases the throttle response of the 911 to the point of feeling like you've got 30 extra horsepower. Function: The 911 has rear seats that work great for up to 100+/- miles for my two kids (8 & 11). That's it. Small front trunk. No spare tire. The M3 is more versitile, albeit not enough for me to get rid of my sedan (TL). As far as "harshness" and drivability, my 911 has logged 9,000 miles over 11 months, my TL less than 3,000 during that time, mostly when I needed the added capacity. And I'm a hair short of 50, so my tolerance for getting beat up is lower than it was 20 years ago. That should tell you something. Form: Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but it's hard for me not to look at the 911 and smile. The interior refinements that came in 2005 with the 997 model make it a much nicer interior as well. It looks like a purposeful sports car. BMW went in the wrong direction in my opinion with their interior design and i-Drive. I personally like the interior of the previous M5 to the new one. Hopefully, the new M3 will be better in that department. Performance: The M3 drives like a coupe. Arguably the best coupe in the world. But it's not a sports car. The 911 is, in spite of those little rear seats. Acceleration should be comparable. Handling and cornering favors the sports car 911, if not in absolute numbers, certainly in subjective feel. I'm a fan of the 911. But it's not for everyone. Good luck.
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Replying to: habitat1 (Aug 24, 2006 6:29 am) I always want to ask a Porsche owner on Porsche's reliability record. Aside from it is from car to car even from same manufacturer, how reliable is your 911, and how does the upkeep and repair cost of 911 compare to you TL? I got the impression that 911 has bulletproof quality 
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Replying to: proe (Aug 24, 2006 11:01 am) I'm probably going to break down next month and have a one year, 10,000 mile oil change and check-up done just for my own peace of mind and anal retentiveness. But, if you can believe this, the 997's first scheduled service is not until 2 years or 20,000 miles. This is my first Porsche (first non-Japanese car, in fact) and I admit I was a little nervous. But after doing my research, I found that most owners of 911's had few, if any problems. And, after getting the Cayenne bugs worked out over the last couple years, Porsche managed to steal the #1 spot on JD Powers Initial Quality Survey from Lexus. I can see why. Our TL and MDX are fine low maintenance vehicles, as one would expect from Acura. But my former Honda S2000 beat them both for fit and finish and build quality, IMO. It was hand built in Japan and probably qualifies for the most fun, with the least worry you could have in any car. Not a 911 S Cab, but a hell of a car for a third the price. |
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I was talking to a friend of mine about the idea of getting a base Porche instead of the up-coming M3. His reply, "Isn't a Porche more of an expensive rally car?", and suggested a comparison of the 911 to the WRX or STI would be more logical. The M3 is a true four door sports sedan that is very track worthy. The 911 is a pure-bread race car. For me, I'd like my car to be qualified to do the following: - take to the track - beat almost anything on the street - look really cool!! head turner - take a couple friends to the club on a Saturday night - take a hot date out to dinner on a Week night - look respectable driving to a wedding - comfortably take my mother out to dinner - fit a mid-sized surf board in my car on the way to Delmar - put a cooler in the trunk for beers after surfing - fit all the groceries in my trunk after going to Costco Ideally, I'd be able to do these things in my car. Not being rich nor married, I suppose practicality is important. I suspect the Porchce would struggle with some of the above tasks.. Joseph San Diego
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