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M3 V8 by ultimatedriver
May 08, 2006 (4:43 pm)
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I sincerely hope so, dhamilton. If there isn't, I'm not going for it. I draw the line at 500hp, unless it's up high. That's why I'm looking forward to the 6 speed M5. However, ~400hp is controlable.
 
I do have a question about the V8, though. Acbr, you may be able to find an answer for me. Are the bore and stroke of the new V8 going to be identical to the ones on the M V10? BMW can really do whatever they want to make the V8 4.0 liters, not necessarily leaving the architecture alone.
 
The reason I ask is because I remember the S52B32(read 3.2L inline six from E46 M3) having an unusually long stroke, not consistent with engines that operated at the speeds that engine worked at. If BMW tightens the bore a bit, and makes the stroke longer to make the claimed displacement figure, AND keeps the redline as lofty as the M5's, then we M3 fans will have something new to rejoice about other than driving the best sports sedan in the world. A compact V8 that has awesome low-end torque characteristics.
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Re: M3 V8 [ultimatedriver] by autoboy16
Jun 12, 2006 (6:48 am)
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Replying to: ultimatedriver (May 08, 2006 4:43 pm)

Hey Hey Hey, lookie here at what i found...
 
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looks are subjective by dhamilton
Jun 12, 2006 (7:48 am)
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2 door looks so much better than 4 door IMO.
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Re: looks are subjective [dhamilton] by autoboy16
Jun 13, 2006 (6:20 pm)
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Replying to: dhamilton (Jun 12, 2006 7:48 am)

regardless, there may be a 4door m3 to go toe to toe with the RS4 and C55 and C65AMG
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i hope by dhamilton
Jun 14, 2006 (7:54 am)
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there is a 4 door as that would make a very intersting comparo between that an the new rs4
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Re: tough choice [ultimatedriver] by merc1
Jun 16, 2006 (2:31 am)
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Replying to: ultimatedriver (Apr 28, 2006 6:47 pm)

Been reading several of your posts around, exciting reading.
 
I don't think the I6 is finished at BMW just yet. As you probably know the M Roadster and M Coupe, both based on the Z4 just got the I6 from the M3.....but there is the 1-Series to think about. BMW said that they'd never build a M version of the Z4 and now here it is. In short I expect a M version of the 1-Series at some point. Not sure if they'll use the "M1" badge for obvious historic reasons, but they will have to use a I6 for that car. Maybe something like a 330hp 3.0L I6.
 
BMW is slowly moving their cars upmarket with each generation. People complained about the E46 back in 1999 and some are complaining now about the E90 because of the larger size etc., this is however where the 1-Series comes in. I think we'll get a 1-Series sedan/coupe/convertible in 2008 and they'll be closer to the E36 in spirit I think.
 
The next 3-Series convertible gets a folding hardtop so it appears that weight goes up, but the spy pics of the 1-Series shows a tradition fabric top. They're just moving the 3 upwards and slotting the 1 in it's place, IMO.
 
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Ques. re: Leasing by glkatz
Jun 16, 2006 (6:02 pm)
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Hello everyone. First, thanks for all the info - I'm truly learning a lot. I've always wanted a BMW and finally at the point where I can "afford" (i.e., struggle but get it) one. Here's the deal I was offered on a 2006 M3 convertible:
 
Money factor - .0031 (i might be missing a zero but its definately .something 31)
MSRP - 62,500 (I've checked on Edmunds and w/the features it comes w/that's the correct MSRP)
10,000 miles a year (all I need)
 
The woman doesn't seem like she'll budge all that much re: price. From reading other BMW posts it seems you can really get it down to about 1,700 over invoice, but when I ran the M3 on edmunds it said folks are pretty much paying MSRP. Is this true? If not how much should I expect to pay over invoice. I live in NY - shopping in LI and NYC.
 
All in all came to about $1,025/month lease for 36 months and about 5k due at signing (3k of which was taxes - fun)
 
Also, I'd much prefer a hard top but does anyone know if / when these will be available on M3's?
 
Again, thanks for all the help everyone in your posts. Please let me know your thoughts re: my lease offer and also anything else that I'm too new to know to ask about.
 
Best of luck !
 
Gabe
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Re: Ques. re: Leasing [glkatz] by nyccarguy
Jun 16, 2006 (6:47 pm)
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Replying to: glkatz (Jun 16, 2006 6:02 pm)

TMV on edmunds really isn't that accurate. You can get as much better deal. The good thing about your lease is that the .00310 is the correct buy rate (money factor) for an '06 M3 Convertible with you 36 month/10K per year lease. The bad part about it is the upfront money and of course the cost. $5,000 is a lot of money to pay up front on a lease. Roll your taxes into the payment. If the car gets totalled or stolen an hour after you take delivery, good luck getting your money back from Gov. Pataki. Your only up front costs should be $625 bank fee (sometimes the dealer marks up this fee by $200, 1st month's payment, & security deposit. Given the competition and so many dealers in the NYC area, unless you're buying a Supercharged Range Rover Sport, M5, M6, Ferrari, or Mini you shouldn't be paying MSRP.
 
Call around to different dealerships. Sit on her offer and let her know that you won't pay MSRP for the car. Pick a number that you're comfortable. Give her a hard number, not $1500 over MSRP or whatever.
 
What dealership are you shopping at?
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Re: Ques. re: Leasing [nyccarguy] by glkatz
Jun 17, 2006 (5:30 pm)
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Replying to: nyccarguy (Jun 16, 2006 6:47 pm)

First - thanks for taking the time to respond - I really appreciate it. A couple of questions - how does "rolling" the tax payment into the lease work? I just want to know how to "argue" for it. Being new at this I just thought my pmts to BMW are one thing and the tax is just like if I bought a t-shirt (to a much larger extreme) and the money goes to NYS - didn't know I could roll it into the pmt.
 
I'm definately going to call around. I'm dealing w/a dealership in Huntington, LI. I actually work on Wall st and the dealership there is so much more helpful and friendly. They're not there on weekends so I'll discuss w/them monday. You'd think on Wall st they'd try and rip you off but I had a great feeling from them / pricing on the 330xi I orginally wanted.
 
Any idea as to what would be a "reasonable" agreed sales price for a $63k M3 convertible? I dont want to get ripped off but dont want to get laughed at either.
 
Also, I know this is a BMW forum, and that's the car I've fallen far, but a not so distant 2nd was the CLK convertible. Any thoughts? I'm going w/the BMW - just wondering if folks agree.
 
Thanks again for your time - it is very much appreciated.
 
Gabe
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Re: Ques. re: Leasing [glkatz] by nyccarguy
Jun 17, 2006 (6:48 pm)
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Replying to: glkatz (Jun 17, 2006 5:30 pm)

If you tell me what options are on the M3 you're looking at then we can look up the invoice and we'll work out a selling price, then use the bmw money factor, and your tax rate (you live in Nassau or Suffolk & what is sales tax there?) to figure out what your payment should be.

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