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You are in the Toyota Corolla
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Toyota Corolla, Sedan
Jun 18, 2007 (8:02 pm)
You know, taking the sales lead from the Civic doesn't mean much given how Toyota did it--with more dealers, large incentives, and large fleet sales. Sure, Toyota management can say, "We outsold the Civic!", but consider how they did it. When Hyundai sold over 20,000 Sonatas in December 2005, all we heard was "For shame! Just a lot of fleet sales and big incentives!" Which was true. What a double standard.
I don't know where your imaginary fleet sales are coming from, but Toyota stays below 10% on fleet, so if Corolla sold 10% fleet last month, it STILL would've outsold Civic's Record month, and Elantra's Year-To-Date!
If Hyundai didn't put so much money into crappy commercials, maybe they'd have more dealers?
Is $1000 a large incentive? Oddly enough, it matches the legendary Elantra's $1000 incentive.
Toyota averages about $1200 in incentives, about one-third the domestics, and easily leads the US in sales per dealers, so you'll need a new straw to grasp.
#983 of 3104 Re: Corolla vs. new xB [jaxs1]
Jun 19, 2007 (1:32 am)
You're right, xB doesn't compete with Corolla, it stomps it. You've really got to take a look at the new xB.
If you stay in the under $20,000 USD realm of Toyota cars the xB wins. BTW 90% of my driving is rural/highway.
If you want to match fuel economy of the Corolla, just wait for the xD. It might trade 1 - 2 mpg for hatchback utility, but do it for thousands less.
I would have bought a Corolla back in early 02, but for the 3 speed automatic. In comparison debating 4A vs 5A is almost a joke.
#984 of 3104 Re: Backy [drfill]
Jun 19, 2007 (6:12 am)
Take 10% off the Corolla's sales, for fleet. Consider the 20% more dealers. Should also consider relative size of stores, but that's hard to do. What you are left with is that the Civic outsells the Corolla handily on a per-store, retail basis.
It will be interesting to see how the 2009 Corolla sells if incentives are cut/dropped. It will then be pretty equal in price to Civic, Sentra, Mazda3, and Rabbit, and have a large price disparity compared to Elantra, Spectra, and Lancer.
(BTW, I think it's odd that you beat up Hyundai for having fewer dealers than Toyota, when Toyota had a 30-year head start in the U.S. Also that you think it's OK for Toyota to be at parity with Hyundai in incentives. What does that say about the desirability of Toyota's cars vs. Hyundai's?)
Jun 19, 2007 (6:22 am)
I don't see "Toyota vs Hyundai" anywhere in the discussion title. We all know how each of you feel, and neither one is suddenly going to be dazzled by the other's irrefutable logic and change his mind. Let's move on.
#991 of 3104 Re: Resale is almost solely demand-based [kenym]
Jun 20, 2007 (7:42 am)
Log on to Honda.com price a Civic LX then log onto Toyota.com and price a Corolla S
regardless of price, you should be comparing an civic ex to a corolla s, as those are the top lines right now. Yeah the corolla is cheaper, but its ancient...it should be.
The Civic has 140 hp and the Corolla has 128 hp a difference of 12 hp. They are both rated at 40+ MPG highway and 30+ MPG City. I don't think people buy either of these vehicles to tow anything with. So not sure what the difference in lack of power would be.
to echo what backy said, it just makes sense, same size engine in a heavier chassis that gets almost EXACTLY the same mpg (despite the weight disadvantage) with more hp. Why NOT is the question. When is 10% more power with the same economy suddenly a moot point?
and last but not least, the thing that seperates honda guys from toyota guys: a lean towards performance.
The corolla does sell in oodles...but does that make it better? you know how many crappy movies make a ton of money and how many lesser known ones that are great make nothing? same principle applies.
Most people shopping the corolla have no regard for sporting character. (now you know why the xrs died so quickly. long gone are the days of the revered corolla gt-s)
cheap, good mpg and reliability. and very versatile due to its blandness.
the civic has the economy and reliability down, but is just to darn stylish for most people and not exaclty cheap. That answers that question.
with regards to performance and how it determines if you are a honda or toyota guy , just read this:
Poor handling compared to the Civic
Not sure what you based this on either. They are rated about the same in most categories.
Both have Rack and Pinion steering, Disc brakes, Curb Weight (lbs.) Civic 2804 - Corolla 2615, Wheelbase (in.) Civic 106.3 - Corolla 102.4, Length (in.) Civic 176.7 - Corolla 178.3, Width (in.) Civic 69.0 - Corolla 66.9, Height (in.) Civic 56.5 - Corolla 58.5, Headroom (Front, in.) Civic 38.1 - Corolla 39.3, Headroom (Rear, in.) Civic 36.7 - Corolla 37.1.
what...does...this..have...to...do...with...HANDLING? Thanks for the comparo of interior dimensions. But thats not supporting the FACT that the corolla is the definte lesser handler of the two. Look at slalom times, skid pad numbers etc to find out about that.
But it probably doesn't matter huh? that kind of stuff is irrelevant to a corolla buyer. And that is totally fine...but it DOES prove how performance not only is not a priority to corolla buyers, but a foreign thing altogether.